The Book of Mormon

No problem. Post as if I am gone.:jesus:

 

It's edited now. Thanks

 

Invite them to a Bible study or to your church.

 

Joe -- if I may...

You are saying that SDAs are attending your church on Sundays as well as their own church on Sabbath. I also do that from time to time.

You are friends with at least some of them - and I suppose you view some of their teachings as being correct. Case in point -- on this board I often post in agreement with Heavenly Pilgrim, Eliyahu, PostTrib, Brother Bob, Pastor Bob etc on a great many topics. So I don't see that as being too unnusual.

You also say that they are a cult - that is interesting since even Walter Martin in his book "Kingdom of the Cults" stated that there is no execuse for labeling them that way. (BTW I do not take that as a personnal attack on me or on SDAs - I believe you are speaking based on your view of their doctrines and how you see them to agree or differ with your interpretation of what the Bible says No harm no foul.)

That is not because Martin agrees with any of the distinctive dotrines of the SDA church - it is just that his view on orthodoxy regarding "Sola Scriptura" and the Trinity and salvation by grace through faith - also happens to be found in the SDA church.

When it comes to the Trinity - That is not the case with Mormons and or with JWs.

When it comes to saved by grace through faith - JW's are a bit weak.

When it comes to "sola scriptura" basis for doctrines AND testing prophets - Mormons flat deny it. Even the JW's do not go to that extreme!

SDAs look a lot like "Seventh-day Baptists" in many ways.

1. Believer's baptism
2. Sola Scriptura with both OT and NT as valid authorotative scripture
3. Trinity
4. Honoring the Ten Commandments
5. Arminian
6. Literal view of Genesis
7. Literal second coming
8. Literal millennium
9. Literal bodily resurrection of Christ and the saints

(Don't remember if SDB are post trib rapture - but SDAs are)

SDA's would join in unity with other Baptists that hold to the charismatic gifts -- holding that 1Cor 12 and 1Cor 14 are still valid texts for NT saints. But we would differ with them in that we do not think the modern practice of tongues nor even of prophecy is what the Bible is talking about in the NT.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Hi Bob

Though there are similarities between the 7th Day Baptists and SDA's, there are also great divisions.
You probably know what I am going to say, her name is ELLEN WHITE.

 

You do have a Bible do you?

 

I think you need to get intune with the Bible a bit more and not modern thought brother.

I suppose your a great fan of Benny Hinn.

 

If you read the book of Mormon, it basically reads Christian. But, Mormon doctrine is not derived from the book of Mormon. It is from the Doctrines and Covenants and teachings of Mormon prophets, which they believe is just as important (and even more so when it disagrees with the Bible) as the Bible.

The young men on your doorstep won't tell you the controversial doctrines of the Mormon cult. They wait until you have been indoctrinated and then begin to tell you about it a little at a time.

They are dangerous! They know exactly what they believe and why they believe it. if only the average Baptist knew what they believed and why they believe it.

Hey, if only the average Baptist would be so committed to sharing the truth as the Mormons are about sharing lies.

 

they are a cult but still need jesus .

the mormons and the jw's are cults and dangerous , but these ppl still need to hear the truth , as we all did .:godisgood:

 

Hi David.
NO Christian should EVER throw away an opportunity to witness. These people are just" dying" to hear the Gospel of the real Jesus. the best way to win a battle is to KNOW your enemy, learn your stuff AND theirs . This does NOT mean you believe what THEY believe. GIVE YOUR TESTIMONY and give Holy spirit something to work with ---thats our sole purpose in life. Dont you EVER slam the door in their faces! They are your neighbours and could be your best friends. Make some mistakes , BUT keep trying. Who knows ,you might start to like it? Your heart will race , your hands will sweat. your breath may become short and your mouth may get dry, They use the KJV so get one and MARK SOME APPROPRIATE PASSAGES WITH CROSS REFERENCES BUT dont you dare to slam the door in their faces without giving a testimony about the real Jesus FIRST if you are still too scared, surely there is SOMEONE in your Church you can refer them to ,without being TOTALLY obnoxious?
In Christ
angelfire

 

What on earth is obnoxious with having nothing to do with evil.

Are we not told to abstain from evil.

What is more evil than supressing the Truth.

Are we not told to be as lambs and yet cunning.

Are we not told about people who do not abide in the Truth.

Are we not told that lies would even try to deceive the Elect if possible.

Do we not see in the book of Revelation people being lost with no sympathy from the LORD because they refused to repent.

Depart from me for I never knew you. Lord Lord, did we not....

If you feel called to this work then do it, me I will just keep clear.

There is a deluded spirit at work in today's church, that we must cast our pearls before swine. The Love of God has become the love of hippies, debauched.

We offer the Gospel without the fear and Holiness of a God of Fire.

 

Wow......hmmmmm......have you reread your posts?????

Hmmmmm......God protect those in search of truth from you.

 

I would be interested in hearing a Scriptural defense of your thoughts. More specifically:

1) That taking an opportunity to tell them about your faith in Jesus is wrong

2) How the people at your door is "basically the devil"

3) How shutting your door on them in any way reflects Jesus


Any kind of difficulty in demonstrating a Scriptural defense is definitely understood....since there really is none.

 

Oh yeah, this would be interesting to know too....how is it that showing grace and hospitality to them shares "in their evil work"?

What would it be like if God had the same attitude as you?

 

Wow.....I didn't realize that Irenaeus wrote in the Bible. Which book was that?

 

In your entire rant there is no offering of anything....only a slamming of the door!

GEEZE!!

 

What about Seventh-Day Adventists?

I'm curious if, as a Seventh- Day Adventist, "We" would all agree on the beliefs of your church? Do you believe that " Sunday-keeping " will be the mark of the beast in the future? Do you believe in the " shut door " doctrine? Do you believe that Ellen G. White was a " prophet "? Do you believe that she had more than 3,000 "inspired counsels from the Lord" between 1844 and 1868? What about "soul sleep" and "Investigative Judgment"?
SDA Church Ministry magazine of October 1981 -" We believe the revelation and inspiration of both the Bible and Ellen White's writings to be of equal quality." This statement has never been retracted!
Orthodox or Cult?

 

We believe that the gift of prophecy is "from God" not from "lesser gods".

We believe as God said that this gift was for the NT church (1Cor 12 and 1Cor 14 "desire earnestly spiritual gifts especially that you may prophesy".)

We believe that the gift is defined exactly as God defined it in Numbers 12 "IF there is a prophet among you I WILL make myself known to them in a dream or a vision".

We do NOT believe that the NT prophets like Anna, Philips 4 daughters, Agabus and those in Corinth (1 Cor 14) were all "writing scripture" just because they were given the gift of prophecy. RATHER God used some to write scripture and some prophets to minister just to the saints of their day. Scripture ceased to be written around the close of the first century A.D. ALL doctrine is to be tested against scripture - for on scripture alone it stands or falls.

But in all cases of inspiration and the gift of prophecy the source is GOD not "God vs some lesser non-inspired god". The only reason prophecy has any value - any authority at all - is that God is the source. Period.

WE believe EXACTLY what Paul stated in 1Thess 4 regarding "those who have fallen asleep" calling them "the DEAD in Christ".

we believe in doctrine 100% tested "sola scriptura".

We believe the 10 commandments are valid.

We believe that breaking any one of the 10 commandments is just as wrong as breaking any OTHER of the 10 commandments.

We AGREE with D.L. Moody that the Sabbath commandment remains.

in Christ,

Bob