The Building Blocks Of Prophecy

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  1. Truth Files

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    Revelation
    1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

    1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

    1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

    2Peter
    1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

    1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

    1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

    The student of Bible prophecy must build line upon line, precept upon precept .... here a little, there a little .... in the process of rendering the correct meaning of the Lord’s prophetic scriptures .... at the same time one must seek the Lord’s guidance along the way with prayer and dedication to the task.

    Proper motive is paramount as well .... those who abuse the prophetic scriptures by using them to promote personal gain of any kind .... drawing attention to themselves, seeking power and influence, attaching prophecy to support false doctrines, and any form of material gain .... all of this will be detected by the Lord and He will spoil the game for those who do it, and for those follow.

    He has said that many would come in His name and would deceive many .... most who do this very thing today are using Bible prophecy in their false teaching designed to mislead others .... the serious student of the Bible must avoid being tempted to create pseudo-christian follies for the purpose of deceiving others. [Matthew 24:4-5]

    Here is the setting that I recommend for the trained and gifted interpreter of the Lord’s prophetic word .... Jesus Christ is the Spirit of all prophecy:

    1.Always seek the Lord’s guidance through prayer and meditation.

    2.Do so with no other motive than to understand and to convey your discoveries.

    3.Know that He will lead you into much knowledge and discernment upon the asking.

    4.Realize that it will take the time of His choosing .... there are no short cuts.

    5.Do not be overly influenced by any others, but strive to test all teaching against the backdrop of the prophetic scriptures.

    6.Read the book of Revelation first and become very familiar with the content even though you will not understand everything at first .... then add the details of the other prophetic scriptures each in turn.

    7.Learn that Revelation is the direct word of the Lord Himself and that the literary structure is one of repetition as the narrative moves forward. [Revelation 1:1-3]

    8.Discover the building blocks of prophecy realizing that there is no other reliable source apart from the scriptures of the Bible prophets and the Lord's direct inspiration.

    9.Be willing to adjust your view as you learn and if you discover contradiction or incongruency in your view you must return to the drawing board knowing that the visions are without error and totally compatible with each other.
     
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    The building blocks of prophecy continued ......

    Here are a few of some very significant precepts well worth discovering:

    1.Understand that there is a breach in the time line of the visions between the Lord’s first and second advents. [Daniel 9]

    2.Know that national Israel is a theme that runs throughout the scriptures from the nation’s beginning and its future .... seek to understand His continued purposes for Israel apart from all other nations.

    3.Do not mix Israel and the church .... replacement theologies are flawed and can be very deceptive.

    4.An overview of all of the visions of the Bible prophets taken together will reveal that there is an unrecorded period of human history .... and there are no prophetic events of the period included within the scope of the visions.

    This truth must be understood first and foremost if one is to grasp the correct rendering of the prophetic scriptures and to avoid much confusion that has been caused by those who have attempted to interpret them in the past and at present.

    If this precept is not recognized and applied it will result in a number of off coarse views that have notable flaws .... and this is one of the significant reasons why there are so many divergent presentations .... which have led to the fabrication of dogmas used by false prophets and false teachers for the purpose of deceiving and misleading the followers of their associated movements.

    The extended problem is one of causing division, argumentation, and even the loss of one’s salvation in the process .... misconstrued interpretation of scriptural truth on a number of critical issues is the game of the devil’s meddling.

    This time lapse breach in the visions can be found and identified in all of the prophetic visions related to projections of the future .... between those fulfilled, and those still pending.

    The time frame of this blind spot lies between the end of the last century B.C. concerning human rule on the earth and the Lord’s coming intervention which is still on hold at this time.

    It also can be discovered between the end of the Lord’s first advent at the beginning of the first century AD [about 33 A.D.] and His coming wrath and judgment upon an unbelieving world which is still pending .... the beginning of the day of the Lord.

    This same breach lies between the end of the 69th week decreed for national Israel and the beginning of the 70th .... the time of Jacob’s [Israel's] trouble.

    None of the unfulfilled portion of the projections of the Bible prophets has begun, yet there have been numerous attempts to fill the gap of the last 2000 years with recorded biblical events scheduled for the end of this present age.

    Many movements of various christian persuasions have built faulty doctrines upon the methodology of inserting various historical events of the past 2000 years into the breach.

    The practice of doing this has opened up prophetic interpretation to many extra-biblical ideas and speculations that have strayed far from the actual context of the visions.

    I would suggest to all serious students of the prophetic word to re-visit all of the visions with this in mind and without pre-conceptions.

    5.Know that the Lord intends to immortalize today’s church of both those asleep [the dead in Christ] and those living at the time just before He brings His coming judgment against an unbelieving and intransigent world .... He will deal with the balance of Israel and the nations during the coming tribulation period. [1Corinthians 15:22-58; 1Thessalonians 4:13-18; 5:1-4; 2Thessalonians 2:1; Matthew 24:1-13]

    Some will turn and believe during this coming time of great upheaval on the earth, but most will not, and these will be killed and lost forever .... most of those who do turn during the period will be martyred for their faith. [Revelation 9:20; 6:9-11; 14:13; 15:2-3; 20:4(those beheaded)]

    There has been a recent onslaught against the truth of the Lord's intent to immortalize today's church just before He brings His hour [time] of trial and judgment upon an unbelieving world .... this is false teaching and it is being suggested by satan himself who hates the idea of human immortality and he wants to draw humans into the confusion and vexation of the coming tribulation period. [2Timothy 3:1-17; 4:1-4; 2Peter 2:1-22; 3:1-10]

    He will be thrown to the earth and barred from heaven during the period in which he will openly seek to destroy humans in one way or another and many will be his victims who will be killed in unbelief and lost forever [Revelation 12:7-9; 12:12]

    6.Be wary of those who teach preterism, pre-wrath, and post tribulational views with attached false doctrines in various forms .... examples of organized movements are the RCC, Christadelphian, SDA, Mormon, JW, Worldwide Church of God, Serpent Seed, liberal reformation protestant denominations, Word Faith movements, MSOG "latter rain" heresies, Toronto Blessings, Kansas City Prophets, Brownsville Revival, The Vineyard movements, Preterism, Conspiracy Theorists, prosperity gospels, and psycho-methodologies.

    Examples of individuals include the popes and clergy of the RCC, John Thomas, Ellen G. White, Joseph Smith, Charles Russell, Herbert W. Armstrong, Kenneth Gentry, David McPherson, Marvin Rosenthal, Robert Van Campen, Arnold Murray, Oral Roberts, William Branhan, George Warnock, John Wimber, Peter Wagner, Paul Cain, Rick Joyner, David Eells, Todd Bentley, Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, James Russell, John L. Bray, Gary Demar, R.C. Sproul, Hank Hanegraaff, Alex Jones, Glenn Beck, James Loyd, Joyce Meyer, and Rick Warren.

    7.Know that the Lord intends to eliminate all human self government during His coming time of trial and testing .... He will then rule a mortal kingdom on the earth for 1000 years from Jerusalem. [Jeremiah 30:11; Micah 4; Zechariah 12:9; 14:7-11; 14:16-17; Revelation 20:1-3]

    8.He will gather all of the surviving mortals of the tribulation at the end of it and separate those that believe from those that do not .... the believing mortals will enter and populate His millennial kingdom on the earth .... the others will be rejected. [Matthew 24:29-31; 25:31-46]

    9.The immortal church and those believers added who are martyred during the tribulation period will rule with Him during His millennial kingdom on the earth .... and for eternity. [Revelation 5:8-10; 20:4]

    10.All of the spirits of the unbelieving human dead from the beginning of creation will be gathered at the end of His coming millennial kingdom on the earth and burned in His lake of fire. [Revelation 20:11-15]

    11.He will then create new heavens and a new earth for those who follow and believe which will last for eternity. [Revelation 21]

    Bible prophecy is the very essence of the proof that the Bible is what it claims to be .... the word of the living God and the testimony of Jesus Christ who is both God and human. [John 1:1-14; Revelation 1:1-18; 22:12-21]

    Those who are truly called to seek, understand, and convey these things to others carry the gift of prophecy by being able to present it in truth and without error .... but only that which is contained within content of the prophetic scriptures .... nothing is to be added or taken away .... the Bible is complete and finished .... only the Lord and His Bible prophets are the accepted originators. [Revelation 22:18-19]

    One must study thy self approved for this mission .... there is no “magic” in the process .... a very unique and disciplined mission that the Lord directs and expects of those by His choosing. [2Timothy 2:15-26]

    The believer in Jesus Christ is blessed indeed beyond measure and possesses His promise and hope of a future perfected magnificent eternal immortality. [1Corinthians 15:22-58]
     
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    Mr. Truthfiles. This is an interesting set of rules that you have concocted, unfortunately, far removed from what the Bible says. I certainly don't have time to take on every point, but here are just a few that come to mind.

    Look up the context of your "line upon line". It hasn't the slightest connection to what you are saying here.

    Yes, indeed. Pseudo-christian follies abound.
    First, get the quote right. Then you might see what it is speaking of:

    "For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." Rev 20:4

    This is one of the most misquoted verses in the Bible, and yours is no exception. The idea is that all of prophecy points to Christ and His work. When we find in our study of the Bible that we are arriving somewhere else than Christ - whatever the hobby-horse - we have taken this verse amiss.

    This verse shows how Christ could expound all of the Scripture on the way to Emmaus and show it relating to Himself. This also shows how in Christ all the promises of God (yes, including prophecies) are "Yes and Amen in Him".
    This is possibly the worse advice of all. The very fact we have so many schisms in our churches - especially, when it comes to eschatology - is that poorly grounded people are over-reading Revelation and under-reading the rest of Scripture on which it is based. There are whole sections of their Bibles that have crisp, clean, un-thumbed edges, while the "good stuff" is dog-eared, worn, and margin-written to the point of illegibility.

    Worse yet, many are merely reading books on Revelation or a few pet themes, yet still neglecting that devoted holistic study of all Scripture. It is only through that entire study of the entire Bible that we begin to be able to achieve the right background on Scriptural truth.

    This is one of about three dozen assertions you merely state, but do not prove. (Quoting a verse that only peripherally relates to the your point is not proof.)

    The theme of national Israel does not run throughout Scripture. Once they have fulfilled their purpose there is no more national Israel. Jews now are able - just like Gentiles - to come into the blessings of new life in the Messiah.

    This is not "replacement theology". It is fulfillment theology.
    Mixing Israel and the church is exactly what Christi did in Ephesians 2 when the middle wall of partition came down.

    The whole purpose of the Bible is to witness to the all-sufficiency of Christ. The breadth, width, and depth are beyond our ungraced imagination. But the Spirit of God (the same Spirit of Prophecy in Revelation) shows us sweetly and freely all the riches we have in our awesome Saviour. And He convinces us of the rest we have in Him.

    Spiritual Israel is already thoroughly mixed with the church. We are both in the same sheepfold, praising our common Shepherd.
     
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    You and I differ on many things prophetic, but this is a great statement. All Scripture is about Jesus.
     
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    Tom,

    Thanks for the response

    Here is what I would have to tell you

    My view of the prophetic scriptures and preterism are miles apart

    So it would be futile for you and I to debate this issue

    I do answer reasonable questions from posters, but typically do not debate issues

    I am only on the forum to share my discoveries with those who have an interest

    This is my only objective
     
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    Thank you for this. I need to remind myself - and anyone can do it to me if I blatantly forget - that we have so much more in common in Christ than our differences. We can discuss the differences, but abide in our Christ-bought unity.
     
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    Ahem, Truth.

    You are in a discussion group here. The pontification group is two doors down the hall on the left.
     
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    Neither do I respond to those who come with a crass demeanor
     
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    I am - in your eyes - a heretic anyway of the Preterist persuasion. My response to you above was considerably milder than your characterizations of me.

    But, whatever. Though you may not be here to discuss your view, they will indeed be discussed. It's what we do. We compare assertions with Scripture.

    I have had to change a few things I have believed as result of presenting my views here. Certainly I have had to jettison certain lines of reasoning. This is where the iron sharpens iron comes in. Though I can't say that I haven't been frustrated at other times, yet there were still plenty of times when I came away from BB here with a sense of something learned.

    May I suggest the same for you?
     
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    I don't know if this is your objective, but you come across like your purpose here is to let the poor, prophetic ingnoramuses of the BB in on your Biblical insight. I hope this isn't your attitude.

    Try conversing with us you might just find some poeple here have insights you might have overlooked in your discoveries.

    I don't debate about eschatology here, either. But I have learned alot from those like Tom, with whom I differ.
     
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    "Well, this is either Stephen or a plageris

    Well this is Stephen and all of my postings when copied come from my Truth Files website blog
    http://www.prophecy1.blogspot.com/
     

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