The Called !

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    Romans 1:6

    Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:

    Under the New Covenant, not all men and women are the called of Jesus christ. This called should not be confused with the called in Matt 22:14

    14For many are called, but few are chosen.

    There is a dispensational difference here, for under the Old Covenant Israel as a nation was called, and this is in reference to the nation as the context will tell, just read the passage leading up to that verse and that will be seen..

    But in the NT post cross, the called are those that are the called of Jesus christ, like saul who became paul was called in Acts 9:1-6

    So when writing His epistles and addressing them as the called, He has his personal experience to verify the calling he has in mind..

    The called of Jesus christ is not for all men, but for those men and women whom Jesus christ was made sin for, and those whom His righteousness has been reckoned unto their account..

    It is a distinct group of people, seperated from all other peoples in the world..

    It is a call that though it is to a distinct people, its inclusive of both jew and gentile per Rom 9:23-24

    23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

    24Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

    It is the call to whom the eternal inheritance belongeth Heb 9:15

    15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

    Here are more scriptures pointing out this distinguished group, the called:

    1 Cor 1:23-24,26-28

    23But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness

    24But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

    Notice " but unto them which are called" in contrast to the stumbling jews and the wordly wise greeks"

    But God has chosen ones [ the called] in both groups..

    26For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

    The called are the same here as the chosen..

    27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

    28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

    The called: Rom 8:29-30

    29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

    30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

    Not all are of the called of Jesus christ, but only those given to Him for His seed, and they in due time are called into fellowship with Him.. 1 Cor 1:1,2,9

    1Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

    2Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

    9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

    This calling proceeds from the Faithfulness of God unto the chosen race, that seed whom Jesus died for..

    Isa 53:10

    10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
     
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    OK as long as you admit that the dispensations represent rule changes. God changes the rules in the middle of the game.
     
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    To those he called he gave the choice of receiving the call. No one is forced into salvation.
     
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    That is quite true! 1 Thessalonians 1:4-5 makes a distinction between the gospel coming "in word only" and coming "not in word only."

    When it comes in word only the unregenerate man ALWAYS RESISTS THE HOLY SPIRIT (Acts 7:51).

    However, when it comes "NOT in word only" but "IN POWER" and "IN THE HOLY SPIRIT" it comes with creative power that GIVES a NEW HEART and a NEW SPIRIT and thus a NEW WANT TO as the faculty of the will is now the expression of the NEW heart.

    Hence, either way it is a FREE choice! The first is the FREE choice of a depraved and unregenerated mind and heart while the second is the FREE choice of a regenerated heart and renewed mind.
     
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    Thats how I read the passage. :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:
     
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    Straw man argument if regeneration precedes conversion. Why would a regenerate person refuse conversion, call it what you want?
     
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    The Efficacious Call !
    The call to the predestined or chosen ones, is a efficacious call from God that translates one out of darkness into the marvelous light..

    1 Pet 2:9

    9But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

    This was not a mere opportunity, or something made available to mens choice or decision, but this was an actual call from heaven that translated or passed one from death to life..

    Col 1:13

    13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

    The Translation and the efficacious call are the same thing

    Jn 5:24

    Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.


    This call is actually regeneration or new birth whereby one is made a new creature in Christ..

    So God actually calls one out of one realm [ darkness and the dominion of Satan] and calls them into another realm, [ The kingdom of His dear Son which is light]
     
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    And "if" would be the key here.
     
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    You are reading quite a bit into that passage.
     
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    Few are chosen, not few choose. You all think you are chosen because you chose, not BECAUSE God chose.
     
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    Let's look at that again:

    Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. (John 5:24)

    What efficacious call?
    If you hear God's word.
    If you believe on him that sent Christ.
    Then, and only then will you have eternal life.
    --That speaks nothing of a call. It speaks of the one who willingly comes to the Father and believes. There is no call. He hears and believes out of his own free will.
    Then he receives eternal life. He will never come into condemnation, and is immediately passed from death unto life. Death is separation from God. Life is communion with God. Death is spiritually dead (Eph.2:1); life is spiritually alive.
    There is no efficacious call in this verse at all; only the free will of man who comes to Christ after hearing God's Word, and then acting upon it by freely believing it.
     
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    dhk:

    Thats right IF you hear God's word. In order to do that Jesus says you must be of God. Jn 8:47

    47He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

    That word of is the freek prep ek meaning:

    out of, from, by, away from

    It means to be born of God as Jn 1:

    13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

    So if a person does not hear God's words, its simple, because they are not of God, If a Person does Hear God's word means they were of God.

    Once more Jesus says Jn 18:37

    Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
     
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    No, If a person perishes because they did not hear the Word of God, their blood will be upon your hands. It means you were too lazy; too disobedient to go and tell them the Word of God so that they could hear. You will give an account of that in the judgement day. Are you ready?

    13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
    14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
    15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! (Romans 10:13-15)
     
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    It effects obedience to Gods will !

    The efficacious call is a call by God or Christ that produces instant obedience, for example Abraham in Gen 12:1-4

    1Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

    2And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

    3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

    4So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.

    The writer of Hebrews says of this occurrence Heb 11:8

    8By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

    This is because the efficacious call effects gospel obedience..

    The efficacious call is Illustrated with Saul into Paul Acts 9:1-6

    1And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,

    2And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

    3And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

    4And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

    5And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

    6And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

    Paul says this incident was His call from God, He was called by Gods Grace Gal 1:15

    But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,

    It was the effectual working of His power Eph 3:7

    Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

    BTW, this is the True definition of The efficacious call to all the saints, its by the effectual working of Gods power..

    Thats why Abraham obeyed also !

    Again its seen in the calling of Zacchaeus Lk 19:1-9

    1And Jesus entered and passed through Jericho.

    2And, behold, there was a man named Zacchaeus, which was the chief among the publicans, and he was rich.

    3And he sought to see Jesus who he was; and could not for the press, because he was little of stature.

    4And he ran before, and climbed up into a sycomore tree to see him: for he was to pass that way.

    5And when Jesus came to the place, he looked up, and saw him, and said unto him, Zacchaeus, make haste, and come down; for to day I must abide at thy house.

    6And he made haste, and came down, and received him joyfully.

    7And when they saw it, they all murmured, saying, That he was gone to be guest with a man that is a sinner.

    8And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord: Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.

    9And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.

    You see that, His immediate obedience was typical of His Father Abraham, because He too was the recipient [ as all the spiritual seed of Abraham are] of a efficacious call of Grace..

    The responding to this call is not left up to the freewill of men to either obey or not, to submit or not, but it [ the call] makes them willing in the day of His Power Ps 110:3


    3Thy people [the seed of Abraham] shall be willing in the day of thy power,

    That is their willingness is the effect of Gods power, Gods efficacious call..
     
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    The Holy, Effectual Call of God of God's Grace !

    2 Tim 1:9

    Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began

    And Gal 1:15

    But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,

    When elect sinners are called by Grace, or with a Holy calling there is in them a new nature with spiritual powers or abilities to hear, see, and understand spiritual things, of which the mere natural man cannot..

    1 Cor 2:14

    14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned..

    Remember, the only fruitful hearer in the parable was the one who understood the word..because it was cast upon good ground Matt 13:23

    23But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

    In the effectual call they receive the spirit of adoption whereby they cry Abba Father, they are now capable of receiving spiritual instruction..however no spiritual instruction i.e believe or repent can be complied to without first having a new spiritual existence or being..and that is what the effectual call provides for the elect of God..
     
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    The calling
    Gal 1:15

    But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,

    This calling is also the same as drawing..i.e where we read Jn 6:44

    44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    The word for draw here is helkĊ:

    metaph., to draw by inward power, lead, impel

    And Jesus uses it metaphorically to describe what the effectual call of God does and accomplishes within the Chosen..
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    called = Drawed

    So it is quite appropiate to say that, no man can come to Jesus christ unless inwardly called.. Its an inward hearing of the voice of God or voice of Jesus christ..
     
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    The Holy Calling !

    2 Tim 1:9-10

    9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

    10But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel

    He hath called us [ the elect] with a Holy calling, for why is it called a Holy Calling ? Because it comes from the Holy , Sovereign God Himself ! It is Holy because it is efficient to secure the accomplishment of the purpose and grace of God Rom 8:29-30

    29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

    30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

    A ineffectual call which fails to secure Gospel obedience to the Faith [Rom 16:26& Rom 15:18] must be defective and not Holy, nor perfect. God's Holy call exhibits His power, for He merely speaks the word and it stands fast, for He commands and it is done, He says, 'Let there be light, and there is Light.

    2 Cor 4:6

    6For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
     
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    God calls only a remnant !

    That God calls only a remnant is intimated in Joel 2:32

    32And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

    cp Acts 2:38-39

    38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    39For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

    These scriptures indicate that God does not call all to obtain eternal salvation, but only His elect, the spiritual seed of Abraham, out of both Jew and Gentile Rom 9:23-24

    23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

    24Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
     

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