The catholic church recants!

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  1. DHK

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    [FONT=&quot]Giordano Bruno was charged with blasphemy, tried at the Inquisition, found guilty, and burned at the stake in 1600
    Galileo was brought forth in 1633, and under threat of torture and death was forced to recant all beliefs in Copernican theories. He was thereafter sentenced to imprisonment for the rest of his life.
    Earlier to this Copernicus himself had died a natural death, but his work had been condemned as heretical.

    Now in a turn-about, the RCC is recanting. I find this hilarious. As if the RCC can make the Dark Ages "light." They can't change the history they created.

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    The rest of the story can be found here:
    http://start.shaw.ca/start/enCA/News/WorldNewsArticle.htm?src=i31951.xml
     
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    I hope no one goes blind trying to read this! I need a magnifying glass.
     
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    Calvin pontificates about people like Copernicus:
    [John Calvin, Sermons sur l'Epitre aux Corinthiens, I Cor. 10:19-24]
    roughly translated: Those that say the sun does not move, but the earth, are frenzied, monstrous, and devil-possessed!:laugh:
     
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    Here is the question to be addressed.

    1. What teaching of Christ suggests that his followers would be torturing anyone by burning them at the stake?

    2. Was this act by the Catholic Church in the dark ages something that the church today considers to be "infallible" - something that the RCC cannot even to this day - admit to have been in error?

    Killing someone for "holding opinions" and "beliefs" is a pretty serious charge against the RCC.

    in Christ,

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    What is worse is that they at the time believed they had the authority from God to do these things and held to this belief in spite of the fact that scriptures give no man the authority to force another to believe anything. The audactiy and arrogance of this belief is astounding to me.

    Sadly, I see threads of it still in existance today, with this group and that claiming that they are the "only" way to God, when Christ claims that position for Himself.
     
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    Very often the Christian view is that the Christian Church is "the only way to God" -- however that still does not justify "burning someone" at the stake for "holding opinions" contrary to a specific church.

    I doubt that the view that the Christian church offers the true - one and only Gospel - is the root problem.

    Rather it is more likely the Mark 7 issue of substituting man in the place of God.

    in Christ,

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    Interesting story -

    To put your question in perspective - does any church claim today to be the SAME denomination or church that had any part in any of the activities listed at Munster? If so - let them stand and be counted.

    The Catholic church today - claims to be the SAME church as is recorded in the dark ages. They claim that their canons of law made in the dark ages - are still infallibly without error. Lateran IV comes to mind.

    If such a argument is also being made by any denomination today regarding the deeds done in Münster in 1535 - let them speak up. Let them NOT claim that they were infallibly without error in the past - and let them admit to their own history and publish an apology.

    in Christ,

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    OK, then if the modern Klan was to claim that they are a new Klan and no part of the historical Klan . . . .
     
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    Most observers will quickly "notice" that the Catholic church of today claims to be the Catholic church of the dark ages.

    Did I miss something?

    in Christ,

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    I'm sorry, but my Basist church doesn't have roots that extend that far back. However, I know that the same arrogance that led the Catholic church to believe it had a divine right to force men to belief also infected a great many who would claim the title Protestant. So yes, I know about Munster and other terrible deeds that were done in the name of stamping out "heresy".

    All it was on both sides was a quest for power that God never intended His church to have on this earth.

    The difference between Protestants and their decendents and Catholics of the "dark ages" and their, is that the Catholic Church today still believes it should have the authority to rule. Otherwise, Vatican City, would be under the rule of the Italian government. Just one of those vestages of yester-year.

    Even the Anglican church no longers believes it should hold any sort of government powers. The rest of us, never had designs on such to begin with.
     
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    And now that "authority is being challenged in court!

    The case is Holy See v. John Doe, 09-1.
    http://start.shaw.ca/start/enCA/News/WorldNewsArticle.htm?src=w19793.xml
     
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    Ridiculous! You apparantly don't understand the Baptist distinctives. The Munster Rebellion specifically opposes the Baptist belief in the separation of church and state. Therefore, these Anabaptists were not Baptists and we have no reason to recant their errors.
     
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    That is interesting DHK. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
     
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    Indeed the evangelical Anabaptists opposed the Munsterites as much as did the Reformers but not with violence. The Munsterities were pedobaptists not Anabaptists. This is the same Catholic lie that has been perpetuated for centuries about the Munsterites when there is clear and overwhelming historical evidence they were not Anabaptists.
     
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    God killed people for their opinions in Exodus.
    And Jesus is God. So, this is also Jesus' teaching. :tongue3:
     
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    Are you now supporting the theory that Rome acted under the leadership and revealed will of God in killing other professed believers?

    God has the right to take the life of any of his creatures. He has the right to chasten one nation by bringing other nations upon them. Israel had the right to put to death heretics as they were a theocracy with civil law.

    Are you now suggesting that the church of Jesus Christ is a theocracy with civil law to justify the inquisitions??? If not, then why present such a stupid argument????
     
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    I'm saying God should take the Levites and do away with successionist!

    You have no clue about sarcasm now do you? Did you not see my emodicon? And Jesus will rule with a rod of iron. I think you better duck or you might get smacked upside the head with it. :tongue3: <- emodicon. Indicates I'm being sarcastic.
     
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