This is an idea that we have our protestant ansestors to blame for. They were so angry at being called heritics they thought it was a good stratigy to say it back. Course both side thought war was also a good debate tactic so lets rise above, shall we? The catholics genuinely believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord, they repent on a regular basis and those whom take their faiths seriously, commit their lives to the Lord. By the baptist definition: accept, believe, committ; they are saved.