The Center of the Universe

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  1. Aaron

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    Was the work which Christ accomplished here on earth eternal? In other words, is the Cross significant here on earth only, or is it significant in Heaven, and is it intergral to His Person? Can Christ be known in Heaven apart from the Cross?
     
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    There are some questions that need to be answered before we know.

    Off the top of my head...

    Is there life anywhere else in the universe?
    Has any other life form sinned?
    Would the God consider that life-form man?

    Probably a whole host of other related questions.

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  3. Aaron

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    Do the Scriptures tell us?

    Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

    Because of this,

    God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
     
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    of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth.

    Is Paul here saying, "every knee of everything in the universe?

     
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    Who knows if God has created other life, on other worlds. I don't think he has, but if it is proven beyond a doubt, it wouldn't bother my trusting in Christ as my Savior. I don't feel that I have any standing to question the Creator of the universe.

    On another thought, why do non Christians believe that if evolution is true, and which means there is no God, that alien life would be all warm and fuzzy like on StarTrek? They might be more like the aliens on "V" who wanted to eat us.
     
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    I'm not suggesting that Christ created extraterrestrial life (other than angels). My question is about Christ's work on earth, and whether it has eternal, universal significance.

    Unless the Heaven of God's throne is not the only Heaven of its kind, and God is not the only God, then the name He merited, which is above all names, and by which He is known and worshipped in Heaven, even by the angels which never fell, was given to Him because of the work He accomplished on this earth.

    Wouldn't you agree?
     
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    Are the conclusions of SETI the final arbiters of this question, or have they been revealed in the Sciptures?

     
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    I don't think any would argue that Christ is revealed as the Creator of all things in Heaven, Hell and the physical universe in all its possible dimensions and parallels. (I just threw that in not because I believe in the multiverse of modern metaphysical imaginations, but to nullify the exclusion to God's authority and power the notion implies.)

    For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: and he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

    So, it appears from the Scriptures, that the name Christ was given here on Earth, is the name by which He is to be known by all in any possible state of existence, whether by the angels in Heaven or Hell, or by any creature in any realm of the multiverse.
     
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    Christ cannot be known apart from the Cross of Golgotha. Wouldn't you agree?
     
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    Wait a minute. Are you saying that if there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, then these creatures MUST know the name Jesus? That God's son cannot be differently named?



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    Isaiah 9:6 comes to my mind.
     
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    Indeed. So does Matthew 1:21.

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    I'm saying—well, the Scriptures, actually—that the Cross is central to His identity. It's the very foundation of it. The name given Him that is above all names in Heaven and in earth and under the earth, is because of the work He accomplished here, on the cross, for the sinners here. The angels in Heaven confess that name. It is the ultimate reality, not merely one possible reality.
     
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    If one believes what the Scriptures reveal about Him, that is. Wouldn't you agree?
     
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    Do you not believe in angels and demons?
     
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    IMO, that was Paul's intent. The usage is similar to how Jesus encapsulated the entire Old Testament in Luke 24:44 - the law of Moses, and the prophets, and the psalms - even though the books of history and most of the books of poetry are not cited.
     
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    Again,

    If one believes what the Scriptures reveal about Him, that is. Wouldn't you agree, ITL?
     
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    of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father

    Was this Paul's notion of the cosmos?

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    Do you think Paul had a correct understanding of Genesis, if his cosmology was like that pictured in the post above?
     
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    I've always thought that if there are other dimensions or universes, that the cross happened simultaneously in all of them. That the cross somehow is an event out of time, occurring in all timelines.

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