The Christ of arminianism

Methinks much learning has made you mad, Beloved57. Your posts are not worthy of further consideration.

 

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Delusional man! When you can heal the sick regularly, cast out devils, and raise the dead, escape death again and again, supernaturally recover from a stoning, and see visions, write Scripture--THEN you can compare yourself to Paul. Were you to show up in one of Paul's churches, he would have kicked you out and delivered you over to Satan, like he did to " Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme."1Tim 1:20

 

I am not disagreeing with you, but its ironic when some want to justify "sin", they use Paul saying he was the cheif of sinners.
We do tend to use them in which ever way they will help our theory, don't we. Including myself.

 

Quite true Bob. The appeal to Paul being the "chief of sinners", was a SAYING that the early church recited, probably at baptism. There are little sayings all over the NT which show they had little creedal things they memorized, and that was one of them.

But if you look at the context, it is clear Paul had in mind his persecuting past of the church. He was not PRESENTLY, as a holy apostle, the worst sinner alive, worse than Sodomites and child-molesters! His heart was still broken over the fact that he hurt other believers to the degree that he did. He hurt many of them.

Paul said he was DEAD TO SIN, CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST, AND COULD DO NOTHING AGAINST HE TRUTH. He walked in victory over sin, as should we all, because the death and resurrection of Christ was so effectual on our behalf, and the weapons and armor we receive are so complete, that we can STAND in the evil day against all the wiles of the Devil, and the Lord, with EVERY temeptation makes a way of escape, for he is faithful. Its a shame Christians want to lower Paul to their own low-level of experience and pretend that they are like him, or living defeated and talking about it as if it is humility. We are seated in heavenly places with Christ, we died with Him, we are alive with Him.

The reason why the Devil gets over on us like he does is because we really don't know who we are in Christ, and we opften can't believe it because we are told that would be "pride". It is not "pride" to believe Jesus Christ destroyed sin's power over our life, it is pride to sin and then make religious excuses for it, and say Christ cannot deliver us from it!

Well, I am off topic. Its all your fault brother Bob! :laugh:

 

Man, am I glad to run into you. I been saying that same thing since I been on here but not many listeners. They can call me what they like, I know what I am and how I live but more important, the Lord knows. I believe the scripture when it says the righteous of the Law is fulfilled in us. I think Christians are pretty good people myself, not as some on here have said. We have our faults but if I was the same man I was before a rebirth in Christ, I would be on my knees.
Anyway, back to the topic.

 

Indeed. If you do not let Calvinists "define the term" so that it contradicts scripture - then it works.

A perfect Arminian position shown from scripture.

Nice going Amy.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Preach it!

But I have a question - is it possible that only Arminians could ever accept this Bible truth?

Is there something about Calvinism that makes them blind to this particular promise in the Gospel? "I will write my Law IN their HEART" the NEW Creation walks "as Christ walked" 1John 2:4-7. The born-again new Creation "good tree" actually DOES produce "Good fruits" Matt 7.

In Christ,

Bob

 

And then Dustin said -

I actually meant to colorize the John 3:16 quote above so that Calvinists could find it in the short little post.

"God so loved the WORLD that HE GAVE..." ... yes REALLY.

Is that better?

Now on to our "Calvinist future scenario"....

 

But "before" we get to the Calvinist future scenario - we must first pick up the rope that the Calvinist just used to hang himself - otherwise the other Calvinists would claim that such a rope no longer exists.

They are nothing if not true revisionist-historians.

Post 9 on this thread --

the text says "God loved us"

In John 3:16 "GOD so Loved the WORLD" and so "US" is the WORLD of humans from all of time.

But in Calvinism -- some "redefinition is needed here"

God so Loved the WORLD is downsized to "the FEW of Matt 7" AND THEN they can take something like the "US" of Eph 2 and argue that in fact God is being arbitrary.

But they are wrong - and their view REQUIRES a certain callous disregard for the lost.

as we will point out.

(in the name of fairness I also have to point out that Beloved57 has made this next slam dunk wayyyy too easy!!)

in Christ,

Bob

 

Thank you Bob, that was fantastical.

 

The inner quotes contain “The scenario”. Everything else is my commentary. (Of course the entire thing is my own test scenario for Calvinism)

Calvinist future scenario complete!


Notice the “focus” in that perfect Calvinist utopian future - is always on “you” the one that is arbitrarily selected and then justifying the callous disregard of your precious child under the guise of “Well God does not HAVE to care about ANYONE just be glad YOU made it”.
Fascinating!

 

Yes Bob, the Lord cannot get through all the serious error that comes in the Calvinistic package for them to believe that we can live in victory over sin, if we realize Christ destroyed it and we walk in His resurrection power. Calvinists make sin greater than the Cross, whether they are aware of it or not. And then they accuse real Bible believers of pride for DARING to say that victory over sin has been accomplished by the Lamb of God. Calvinism is always consistent--it is fatalism on every level, including the Christians perpetual defeat against sin. And they call this kind of Christian life humility and normal. It is sad. That is why the Lord always has to send the Wesleys and the Finneys to straighten out the mess Calvinism makes wherever a group, city or nation embraces it. America was a mess when Finney showed up on the scene, and he realized the problem was not athiesm--it was not blatant sinfulness in the USA, the death-grip on this nation was Calvinism. He had to expend a lot of time deprogramming professing Christians so they could really get saved, and then get them to go out and win the lost, and be involved in prayer and intercession regularly. And it is amazing that a passage like Rom 7 is used by them as the norm for this life, when it is clear from chapters 6-8, that chapter 7 is a reference to a man under the law, with good intentions, but no power to carry them out. Paul was delivered from that state, but Calvinists want to put the church there! Finney said that if our experience is Romans 7, we are either backslid or were never saved to begin with. Strong words.

 

I'll get flamed, but here goes...

I never post in C/A threads. But the vitriol in this one surpasses just about any other one I've read on the BB.

This 'un should be shut down yesterday.

(Waits for the rock throwing to commence)

 

I am trying to figure out that picture Rbell

 

Why Bob, it's Mike, the Headless Chicken.

LINK

 

Now THAT is fantastical.

 

Blasphemy is serious business rbell. Ascribing sin unto God is serious. Teaching Christians they will sin every day no matter what Jesus did for us is serious. Did you read the OP? Start there and then tell me we are over-reacting, if that is what you mean.

 

Indeed, I had to quit posting on this thread and the "Did God create sin.." thread because

A. I myself was getting more and more vitriolic with every post, and at the same time, less and less edifying, and it was very hard to get a reasonable response from anyone I was adressing.

B. Name calling, which I was also doing (insert repentance here), is 2nd grade stuff. There are some here who throw tantrums not unlike my 2 year old son. It's like a day care where all the children are hopped up on coffee and someone took away their pack lunches or turned off the Barney movie.

C. I stated my position well enough that those who don't agree with me know where I stand. There is not much else to do, unless I want to waste time and energy arguing with free-willers and Armininans, on an issue which has no forseeable end, at least on this board.

D. I tend to get tired of arguing really quick, I'm not made for debates. It's a lot easier when opponents are reasonable. I'd rather argue with BobRyan, than a few of his doctrinal cohorts, because at least Bob makes decent arguments most of the time. What I mean is, some arguments with Bob are at least edifying in the end, unlike sertain other people, who shall remain nameless.


These two threads have about as much grace as a brass knuckle street fight, and as the old saying goes "I'm a lover, not a fighter."

Grace and Peace be with you all.

Dustin

 

I never stated that.

And as for your second part, read Romans 7.

Soli Deo Gloria,
Dustin