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The Christ of arminianism

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by beloved57, Feb 8, 2007.

  1. rbell

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    (not responding...just singing a rendition of "Strike up the Banned.")
     
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    Does anybody even read the terms of service anymore?
     
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    (not responding either... just gettin' the popcorn and sodas ready)

    Popcorn! Get yer popcorn!

    View attachment 96
     
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    See, ya beloved. Maybe you and arminius can have dinner sometimes...
     
  5. beloved57

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    ah aite..:godisgood:
     
  6. BobRyan

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    Excellent point!

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
  7. BobRyan

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    This is what we call "arbitrary selection" in the platform of Calvinism.

    See it in living color here --

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost...2&postcount=52
     
  8. BobRyan

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    God is not willing for ANY to perish but for ALL to come to repentance" 2Peter 3.

    God is "Convicting the WORLD of sin and righteousness and jugment" John 16.

    And God is "Drawing ALL MANKIND to Himself" John 12:32.

    So many references to the "God that so love the WORLD..." yes "really".

    So many references to the God that "Sent His son to be the Savior of the WORLD" 1John 4:10

    So many references to the God that "Sent his son to be the Atoning Sacrifice for OUR sins AND not for our sins only but for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD" 1John 2:2 to convince the objective Calvinist - that Calvinism is dead wrong.

    (Not 3 point Calvinism of course - for they would agree with all of the above - verbatim)

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
  9. Rippon

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    Hmm ,what about : a decree went out that the whole world should be taxed

    the whole world lies in the power of the evil one

    the whole world went out after John the Baptist
     
  10. beloved57

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    Too bad you don't understand not one of those verses :tonofbricks:
     
  11. BobRyan

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    The context for "Rome" is Rome.

    The Context for GOD when it comes to "THE WORLD" is seen clearly in John 1 "ALL THINGS were made by Him" -- "The WORLD was made by Him"... "HE is the Light of the WORLD" ... "Coming into the WORLD He enlightens EVERY man"

    The redefining and "downsizing efforts" of Calvinism just don't work when it comes to God.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
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    God is not willing for ANY to perish but for ALL to come to repentance" 2Peter 3.

    God is "Convicting the WORLD of sin and righteousness and jugment" John 16.

    And God is "Drawing ALL MANKIND to Himself" John 12:32.

    So many references to the "God that so love the WORLD..." yes "really".

    So many references to the God that "Sent His son to be the Savior of the WORLD" 1John 4:10

    So many references to the God that "Sent his son to be the Atoning Sacrifice for OUR sins AND not for our sins only but for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD" 1John 2:2 to convince the objective Calvinist - that Calvinism is dead wrong.

    (Not 3 point Calvinism of course - for they would agree with all of the above - verbatim)

    In Christ,
     
  13. BobRyan

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    This is what we call "arbitrary selection" in the platform of Calvinism.

    See it in living color here --

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost...2&postcount=52
     
  14. beloved57

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    All those references are speaking about the elect...:sleeping_2:
     
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    Hogwash!.........
     
  16. BobRyan

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    B57 is simply telling you how "he needs to spin the texts" -- he does not DO the exegesis - he simply ADMITS to his need for eisegesis.

    And I believe him.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
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    The inner quotes contain “The scenario”. Everything else is my commentary. (Of course the entire thing is my own test scenario for Calvinism)

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    5 and 4 pt Calvinist Future Scenario:

    “Showing” the requirement of 4 and 5 point Calvinism to have the “luxury” of a cold disregard for the non-elect “When the non-Elect are finally Known”. (In the perfect Calvinist Utopian future). This scenario simply removes that “luxury” (for a moment) in order to emphasize the point 4-5 Pt Calvinism makes about God Himself – vs the view that “God so Loved the World that He Gave…Really” (something that both Arminians and 3-pt Calvinists seem to Agree on).


    <You see the problem when the Calvinist model is not “allowed the luxury" of disregarding the fate of the lost - as in the case above?>

    Here we see Calvinism’s view of God who (arbitrarily from the POV of human eyes) selects out the FEW of Matt 7 and loves THEM alone - and then represents that to Calvinists as "So Loving the World". Oh the pure joy that thought must cause the Calvinist mind.




    Calvinist future scenario complete!


    Notice the “focus” in that perfect Calvinist utopian future - is always on “you” the one that is arbitrarily selected and then justifying the callous disregard of your precious child under the guise of “Well God does not HAVE to care about ANYONE just be glad YOU made it”.
    Fascinating!

     
  18. beloved57

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    Believe this , if you are not one of Gods elect, you will perish in your sins. At this point sir there is no evidence that you are one of Gods elect, the way you blaspheme...
     
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    This statement in itself is blasphemous.
    What gives you the right to make such statements?
    Are you the judge of the heart.

    Your posts have been very arrogant.
     
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    Give it a thought how I, just I, got saved. Forget the masses. Maybe you'll realise it was because God in His love chose me. Now if nothing I have ever done could not prevent God or hinder Him in His condescending love towards unworthy ME, how could anything I could ever do in future, prevent or hinder Him in this overpowering, overruling, conquering, almighty powerful love and choice of His? You think God couls fail? Then just maybe again, you haven't seen nothing yet of God's saving grace!
     
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