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The Church Of The Cool And Groovy (A Worldy Christian View)

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Revmitchell, May 13, 2008.

  1. Linda64

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    And you know this because......?
     
  2. JerryL

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    Does your church practice ancient customs of the Hebrew people?
     
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    No, but if you don't practice the "old ways" of the Hebrews of 600BC, you aren't doing it the way the Bible speaks of. Are your "old ways" the way of 600BC? If not, it is you who should tear Jeremiah out. The word "context" comes to mind here for some odd reason. Somehow I don't think Jeremiah 6:16 is speaking of church worship.
     
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    God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. The 'old ways' is all about obedience. Walking with God and not with the world.

    The command of Exodus 20:3,4 is still God's desire for His people today... Seek after no other god's.

    It was no different in Paul's day.

    'Seek no provision for the flesh'
    'Love not the world, neither the things of the world.

    It is the same today

    But people today want to seek to please self rather than God.

    They seek to fulfill the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life. Every man doing what seems right in his own eyes.

    Trying to drink of the cup of devils while sitting at the table of the Lord... or vice a versa.

    The old paths? Adam and Eve walked with God... and were not ashamed.

    Are we truly walking with God when seeking to please ourselves? Are we pleasing God when we act as the world acts? Do we truly have the relationship we claim to have with God?
     
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    The bottom line is this.

    People who love rock and roll and want to be entertained at church will never admit that they are compromising their faith.

    There is a time for fun, even for Christians, but worship is a time for learning and self-examination, and for correction......it is not a show for our amusement and entertainment.

    AJ
     
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    We don't sing rock or anything close. Tell you what, you sing hymns and I'll sing whatever I want, to the Glory of my Lord. Here is just one we sing, tell me what's wrong with it.

    When I think about the Lord
    How He saved me
    How He raised me
    How He filled me
    With the Holy Ghost
    How He healed me to the utermost
    When I think about the Lord
    How He picked me up
    And turned me around
    How He set my feet on solid ground

    It makes me wanna shout
    Hallelujah, thank You Jesus
    Lord, You're worthy
    Of all the glory
    And all the honor
    And all the praise
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THgccy_EyFY&feature=related

    Yea, I can see where this isn't honoring God.:rolleyes: If you aren't singing only hymns found in the Bible, I could say you aren't very Biblical in your worship as well.
     
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    Excellent post!

    I was just about to write that although we live in the age of Grace and not under the Law as they did in 600 BC, that the principles that God taught the Isrealites are the same principles that He teaches us today. The way God deals with His people has changed over the last 2600 years, but His principles have never changed.

    I was asked earlier when the old paths started for us. I would say that the example of the old path that we should follow began with the apostles as they established the church. And the principles that they taught included being seperate from the world, and resisting worldly lusts, and not conforming to the world, are just as relavent today as they were back then.

    AJ
     
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    Well I may be a little older than you (all of my grandparents would be well over 100 years old if they were alive today), but I find this statement absolutely laughable.

    Let's see... there was rampant alcohol abuse, the liberal and unregulated use of cocaine until nearly 100 years ago (and was wasn't actually made a controlled substance until 1970), there was a substantial amount of family violence in the church (especially wife beating).

    But your assertion insinuates that we currently live "in a world where drugs and violence [prevail]." I don't know where you live, but it doesn't prevail in our congregation where we have both traditional (circa 1950s-style) and contemporary music.

    Really!

    My father's side of the family is from the Piney Woods of Southeast Texas, and I had a number of ancestors who were members of churches that argued and split. I had a great-granduncle who was a laypreacher for a Baptist church in Tyler County that "churched" him for suggesting that the church should use a recent financial windfall to provide shoes for all the needy children of the community instead of spending the money on a fancier building. In the aftermath of being ejected from the congregation, there was a huge fight and church split.

    The town of Cut and Shoot, Texas was named for the violence that erupted after a Baptist business meeting went bad.

    I could go on, but the problems of drug abuse, violence, and church fights comes from the sinfulness of human condition, not contemporary music.

    Since the charismatic movement began in the 1960s, that's probably very true... but there were many traveling faith healers and tent revivalists that practiced what are popularly referred to as charismatic gifts. Often most of the community turned out for the show.

    Like that church in Corinth that Paul had to correct... They were all about pop music. :laugh:
     
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    Hate to break it to you, but we've always been under grace and never under law (except as a guide to the ways of God). Everyone who has ever come to faith in Christ has come by way of grace. Abraham was saved in exactly the same way we were, we just have more information. (I know this is controversial, but read what Paul says in Galatians and Romans about Abraham's faith being the prototype of our salvation -- coming well before the Law was ever given.)
     
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    That's a great statement for your position since anyone who might disagree with that assessment must obviously be one who would not be honest. It's essentially a pseudo-spiritual way of claiming, "Anyone who disagrees with me is a liar."

    May I take that position as well?
     
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    As I said, I have no problem with new music being written and sung during worship, even some praise music is great...as long as it isnt copied from pop music. But even hymns can be abused, and sung for entertainment, and the promotion of the person singing it, instead of the glory of God.

    There is alot of praise music and CCM tho that doesnt even mention God or Jesus....a lot of churches use CCM and praise music to create an air of excitement and "feeling".....I couldnt care less about excitement or feelings.....give me the Word of God. I can get entertained after church watching NASCAR.

    AJ
     
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    It doesnt matter to me what position you take, thats between you and God.

    All I know is what the Bible teaches about seperation and not conforming to the world. Copying worldly music is definately conforming to the world.

    I am not calling you a liar, but if you think that conforming to the world is ok with God, then you are certainly going against the Word of God.

    AJ
     
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    I think we are finaly figuring out that we actually agree. Your post is 100% spot on. :thumbs:

    Off to work for another week. God bless.
     
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    Well, thank you Jerry

    As I said earlier, biblical debate and discussion can be healthy'

    Have a good week at work

    AJ
     
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    Who says that "modern" music is for entertainment? I do think that those who stick to hymns use them for entertainment too because it's feeding your flesh.

    Our worship today was humble and godly. My husband is the worship pastor and is supremely careful to choose songs that will magnify the Lord and not us.

    Some words:

    Hosanna, Hosanna, Hosanna in the highest....

    Heal my heart and make it clean
    Open up my eyes to the things unseen
    Show me how to love like you have loved me
    Break my heart for what is yours
    Everything I am for your kingdom's cause
    As I walk from earth into eternity


    then there's
    He can move the mountains
    My God is Mighty to save
    He is Mighty to save
    Forever
    Author of salvation
    He rose and conquered the grave
    Jesus conquered the grave

    So take me as You find me
    All my fears and failures
    Fill my life again
    I give my life to follow
    Everything I believe in
    Now I surrender


    Then there's the "gasp"

    Take my life and let it be
    Consecrated, Lord, to Thee;
    Take my hands and let them move
    At the impulse of Thy love.

    Here am I...all of me...take my life....it's all for Thee


    What of these words are weak, selfish or unGodly?



    Dabble in what? Singing to the Lord? Believe me - people see a difference between the world and our church. There's no question as to Who we are singing to, Who we are worshipping and what we're about. A rock band in a night club doesn't have someone come to them saying "Thank you for getting my focus on God today. I was so distracted before I came and was NOT looking forward to being in church but God used you today. Thank you." (actual quote from a member of the congregation to my husband today - well, might not be exact but I heard him say it so it's pretty close). That's a big difference IMO.

    Style of music is a preference. God does not give an opinion into what STYLE we do - if we worship in spirit and in truth. I can worship singing in church - or standing on the beach just praising and worshipping by myself. I love the old hymns too and we're getting back into incorporating more and more of them because they ARE great songs of worship (not all of them, however - some are pretty shallow, honestly), but I also love to sing praise with a loud voice to a song that's easy to follow. :) Rock does not equal the world any more than a matzoh or grape juice does. Or an organ....or a sound system....or a printed Bible....
     
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    Who's your favorite NASCAR driver?

    I am just thankful that everyone can worship in a church where God has placed them...
    Every church is different...
    But most every church wants to please God.

    If you don't like Christian Pop.. don't listen to it..
    Since I don't like Christian bluegrass, I don't listen to it....

    I held a revival last week in my home church where I got called out of...
    The singers each night sang songs I didn't know, but everyone in the church knew them and sang along with the singers... I didn't know them, because I just don't like to listen to Southern Gospel...

    I have heard too many SG groups pretend to sing, and butcher songs...
    If a person is going to sing, they had better have talent, and practice on that talent... if they are not going to be the best they can be for God, they should never get in the pulpit!....

    And a lot of the stuff I hear on Bluegrass Gospel and Southern Gospel radio is so under par from real talent. So I never listen to it.

    Now, I am not going to condemn a person for listening to stuff I don't like, whether it be bluegrass or rap, because if they can grow closer to God by listening to the songs then praise God...

    And in reality, no one can really tell if the music another person is listening to is bringing them closer to God except the person listening to it.

    Our church has everything from the old hymns like Rock of Ages, to East to West by Casting Crowns...

    And God gets our praise!
     
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