The Cinematic Offenses of George Lucas

Star Wars was a masterpiece (I will NEVER call it A New Hope).

Biggest blunder was Jar Jar hands down.

Bill

 

Gosh that would be great... Star Wars sans Lucas directorship.

 

okay, guys, I'll be the monkey wrench here.

It escapes me how George Lucas and Star Wars should be a matter of discussion in a Baptist Debate forum ?

Shouldn't this be in perhaps a fellowship forum ? Where we can all hold each other's hand and wrap our arms around each other's shoulders and tearfully reminisce of the good old days when life was a lot less complicated and Star Wars was THE movie to see ?

 

We can fight about Star Wars if you would like...

YOU'RE WRONG IT BELONGS RIGHT HERE, HERETIC! :laugh:

 

Worst - The Phantom Mess. Watch "Episode I" come up on screen, then just fast forward to Ian McDiarmid's (Palpatine) scenes. Jar Jar....ARGH! What were you thinking George....or were you thinking at all?

Almost as bad - Attack of the Clowns. Another turkey. Fast forward most of it to Christopher Lee's (Dooku) scenes.

Not quite tolerable - Revenge of the Nerds. The Anakin vs Obi Wan duel almost turned this into a real SW movie....


Dishonourable mention - the "updated" original movies. Sure I've got them on dvd, but only because I had to get them to get the original movies without George's mangling....thanks George


Now to the good stuff

ESB was first movie I ever saw on the big screen....and it might just sneak ahead of SW itself to be my favourite from the series.

 

Not only that but Luke is married and has kids!!! Isn't that a fundamental breach of the Jedi "monastic" lifestyle?

Though it had a lot of holes, I liked Return of the Jedi - I simply like the idea of redemption!!!

Worst crime - discontinuity in all of Obi Wan's discussions (I am not certain any one can adequately make all of his words in 4 and 6 fit the storyline overall)

 

Before you fast forward to Ian McDiarmid, make sure you stick around at the beginning to watch the coolheaded Jedi tandom of Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan. I love it when they close the blast doors and Qui-Gon shrugs it off and you can almost hear him say, "Ok, I'll just burn up your blast door while I'm at it."

Best line of TPM - Qui-Gon to Jar Jar (Jar Jar must die, btw)

"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent."

The duel between Darth Maul, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan is worth watching. However, it suffers because interspersed with it are the scenes of a 10-year old boy destroying the flagship of the Trade Federation.

:laugh:

Let's not get started on the scenes with Anakin and Padme. Hayden and Natalie do as much as they can with them, but weren't given much to work with in the first place. Brutal scenes.

The battle between Anakin and Dooku at the beginning is pretty good, except for the awful dialogue Christopher Lee was forced to say.

The best part of RotS was when R2 was picked up by the 2 droids in the hangar bay.

Droid: You stupid little droid.

R2 douses them with oil and sets them both on fire. As he flies away, you know he's thinking, "Who's stupid now, suckers?"

As was already mentioned, Han shoots first!

ESB is the best of the lot.

 

I didn't have a problem with Anakin breaking those particular rules. It was completely in character for him to do that.

Actually, I think Lucas did as good a job as you can do with that. When Vader goes to Mustafar and slaughters the Trade Federation and allies, he is, in a sense, a different person.

 

This will turn into a real fight in a minute...LEAVE MY STAR WARS ALONE!! :laugh:

 

Quotes by cc: ...stick around at the beginning to watch the coolheaded Jedi tandom of Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan.

hmmm.....ok.....point there .


Jar Jar must die, btw

That's a rather soft position.....Two words: WOOKIE BAIT!


The duel between Darth Maul, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan is worth watching.

A lot flashier than the old saber duels - full points to Ray Park's work - but I dunno for me it just lacked the power of the old fights. Maybe because by then I was sick of the characters, knew at least one of the good guys would come through by was hoping to see the upset?

Let's not get started on the scenes with Anakin and Padme.

YES!! PLEASE!!! LET'S NOT!!!! HAHAHAHHAA


The battle between Anakin and Dooku at the beginning is pretty good, except for the awful dialogue Christopher Lee was forced to say.

Anakin BEAT Dooku?! NOOOOOOOoooooooo.

Maybe Christopher Lee should have done what he did in one of the old Hammer Dracula movies - dialogue was so bad he just refused to speak.


By Aaron: What is it about ESB that you like so well?

*thinks*

The Battle of Hoth.
Asteroid field scenes.
The great Han moments eg: "Laugh it up fuzzball", the front-on "attack" of the Star Destroyer.
Yoda annoying Luke up until "I cannot train him."
Vader absolutely pummeling whining Luke in their lightsaber duel

 

Anybody remember that train wreck of a Christmas special with Chewbacca and 3-PO and Boba Fett? They also made 2 Ewok movies for television. They were horrible. The dialogue between Padme and Mannquin in "Attack of the Clowns" was as clunky as all get-out.

George Lucas has single-handedly launched and destroyed Star Wars. He is an unfit parent and child welfare should have taken Episodes I, II and III from him.
But like most control freaks, George Lucas...just....can't....let....go.

Q: Why did ESB and ROTJ rule?
A: GL didn't direct them. DUH.

 

Right on. They new movies lacked drama during the sword fight. We don't NEED to see some kungfu lightsaber fight. It is not impressive....really. We want drama. The older movies had it.

See? That's the whole problem with George Lucas! He thinks that flashy stunts and a bunch of special effect makes a movie.

Again I say child welfare should have taken Star Wars away from George.... or at least the director's chair and the script.

And BTW, Star Trek lived will beyond it's creator and many other people wrote many better stories based on Rodenberry's work. The point: time for George Lucas to retire and let some better talent have Star Wars.

 

I'll answer this one as well and the answer is easy. Harrison Ford was in it. He and Sir Alec Guinness just about carried the movies all by themselves.

"Who's scruffy-looking?"

"I thought they smelled bad on the outside."

C3PO: Sir, the possibility of successfully navigating an asteroid field is approximately 3,720 to 1.
Solo: Never tell me the odds.

I'm critical of the movies, but I still love them in spite of their flaws.

Oh, I don't know about the better stories aspect. TNG was very uneven in those first couple of seasons and it survived because of Patrick Stewart. DS9 and Voyager were steps down from TNG, mostly because they didn't have a strong actor like Stewart carrying the show. Finally, Enterprise was simply awful.

 

Who wants to see geriatric Jedi's waltzing together while throwing out one liners? Give me the Darth Maul / Anakin / Count Dooko / General Grievous lightsaber battle any day!

This is like watching NFL players from the '80's playing flag compared to the NFL of today.

 

I understand Anakin (and actually thought it was a good route to get him to the dark side), what I was referring to was in the "sequels" web-site that was posted the storyline of #8 has Luke married and with a kid. I was simply commenting on one more way Lucas breaks his own rules as it is convenient.

If the only only comment was about Vader killing Lukes father, I would agree. But when you look at the speech in Dagobah about Obi-Wan's relationship to Anakin (ROTJ) and also at the other things he says in (SW-ANH) I think there are some irreconcilable differences that are almost unforgiveable.

 

Oh, ok. I don't know anything about that and thought you had accidentally typed Luke when you meant Anakin. My bad.

I simply and conveniently "forgot" about those lines because it suited my purpose to do so. :smilewinkgrin:

 

The Greatest Cinematic Offence by George Lucas Is:


....wait for it.....

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Howard The Duck

What a stinkburger THAT was. I'd rather watch Shatner glue on his toupee and fasten-on his girtle
that have to sit thru HTD again.

 

.....and Hulk Hogan could belt up Cassius Clay..... :laugh: :wavey: