The Clock Is Still Ticking

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    The beginning of the return of Israelites to the land of Israel from the nations in the 20th century is a prelude to the events of the time of the end of this present age reflected in the scope of Bible prophecy. [Isaiah 11; Jeremiah 30; Ezekiel 36,37,38, 39; Daniel 9,12; Micah 4,5; Joel:2,3; Zechariah 12,13,14]

    Israel's absence or presence in the land of Israel has a direct correlation with stopping and restarting the prophetic clock.

    Israel today is positioned for the start of the beginning of the 70th week decreed for the nation by the Lord which will then run its course for a period of 7 years and culminate in His visible presence on the earth. [Daniel 9,12].

    The Lord has maintained the Abrahamic covenant with Israel and will carry out His promises to the nation including the establishment of His earthly kingdom for 1,000 years. He will rule the earth from Jerusalem [Micah 4]

    Abraham lived in Ur a province of ancient Babylonia which was the center of the Sumerian civilization. He was a descendant of Noah's son Shem and he recognized that there was only one true God. Babylonia's post flood culture was one of paganism.

    Abraham is the father of modern Israel and most of the Arab nations that exist today. The southern Babylonians [Sumerians] occupying the land of Shinar and the northern Babylonians [Assyrians] occupying the land of Magog are their ancestors. [Genesis 12:1-8]

    The countries of modern day Iraq, northeastern Syria, eastern Turkey, and northwestern Iran include a large portion of both of these ancient areas. The inhabitants today are a mixture of Semitic, Hamitic, and Japhetic lineage [a majority are adherents of Islam today].

    The Lord had already warned humanity about building their cities and the consequences of organizing to a level that would lead to self-determination and separation from His providence and direction. [Genesis 11:1-9]

    This development had grown considerably by the time He called Abraham to leave the area and migrate to establish the land of Israel. [Genesis 10: 8-12]

    His purpose was to separate a people for Himself who would be different from all of the rest of humanity [unbelieving nations of the Gentiles] by recognizing Him as the only true God and creator of the universe.

    Israel would then be a witness to an unbelieving, unsaved world by their relationship to Him through their coming Messiah and King Jesus Christ.

    Part of His purpose with Israel has been a success by producing the scriptures contained in the Bible through the nation's prophets, scribes, and apostles.

    Israel is also the nation that the Lord came to for His mission on the cross and will be the nation that He will return to at the end of this present age.

    Israel as a national people did not fulfill their part of the Lord's expectations and failed in their relationship with Him.

    As a result He has subjected them to exist in the world without His providence and they have paid the price. Greater difficulties are scheduled at the end of this present age.

    It is significant that the nation of Israel is existing as an independent political entity in the land of Israel today after many centuries of domination by the Gentiles and exile from their land.

    The nation's continuous intransigence against the Lord's providence and direction has resulted in the loss of His personal guidance and revelation. Israel as a nation is still in this condition at the present time.

    The Lord's long term preservation of Israel's national identity is specifically for His ultimate plans.....not Israel's self-generated nationalism.

    The years following the reign of Israel's prominent kings David and his son Solomon included political division of the nation and subsequent invasion and assimilation of ten of the tribes of Israel by the Assyrians.

    Successive dominance of a remnant part of the nation followed by the three Middle Eastern empires of neo-Babylon, Persia, and Grecia.

    The neo-Babylonians conquered what was left of the remnant, took many captives, and relocated the population. It was under the rule of the next empire, Persia, that a remnant of Israel was allowed to return to the Land of Israel [445 B.C.].

    This began the count down of the 70 weeks of years [490 literal years] decreed for the nation. 483 years have lapsed with one 7 year period yet to be experienced by Israel after their second return from the nations of the Gentiles to the land of Israel. [Daniel 9:24-27]

    If the death and resurrection of Jesus occurred around 33 A.D. then the following calculation can be made. The time lapse would be 444 calendar years to the first century from 445 B.C. plus 33 additional years to equal 477 years.

    The conversion factor for 360 day prophetic years can be calculated by dividing 365 by 360 which is 1.0138. Prophetic years are shorter so there are more of them included in the time frame of 477 calendar years.

    There are 483.5826 [477 x 1.0138] prophetic years in the time frame. If one adjusts this result by leap year days, the final calculation is very close to 483 years [69 weeks of years].

    Daniel's vision of the time frame allows for this amount of time to lapse after which the Messiah Prince would be cut off and have nothing.

    The last segment of 7 years [1 week of years .... 1 heptad of 7 years]) is still yet future and requires Israel's return to the Land of Israel from the nations.

    This final 7 years will include future prophetic events leading up to the visible return of Israel's Messiah who is Jesus Christ.

    A remnant of Israel returned during the Persian Empire and were subjects of the next rulers of the Middle East. Attempts were made to regain independence from their Greek overlords, but with limited success.

    Much difficulty was experienced as a result of the behavior of the Greek kings of the north who continuously imposed cultural and religious practices upon the remnant.

    Similar conditions were experienced under Roman rule in the first century and the small Jewish remnant was eventually attacked, persecuted, killed, and scattered .... virtually removed from the land of Israel.

    The end of the 69th week [483 years] decreed for Israel lapsed at the departure of Jesus from the earth [about 33 A.D.]. Subsequent Roman invasions are not included in the scope of Biblical prophecy as it relates to the time of the end.

    Israel's current presence in the Land of Israel is a prelude to the beginning of the 70th week which will lead up to the coming of their Messiah a second time.

    The nation will experience an unprecedented time of trouble ("Jacob's" trouble), but a believing remnant part will be rescued by the Lord at His second coming. [Jeremiah 30]

    He will establish His literal Kingdom and rule over Israel and the world for 1,000 years. [Micah 4; Revelation 20]

    Another satanically inspired human rebellion will occur at the end of His Kingdom which will result in the total destruction of the earth, its rebellious inhabitants, and the entire universe. [Revelation 20]

    The Lord will then recondition the universe and the earth for eternity without imperfection. All evil will be eliminated including satan, the fallen angels, and all unsaved humans [Revelation 19; 20; 21].
     
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    "Isn't Google great!"

    It is .... what's your point hopper?
     
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    I think his point may have something to do with you joining the forum not to be apart of discussions but to push your doctrines, given that it is obvious you are posting or copying posts from other forum's on the same subject. For me personally shoving 100's points on one post is pointless and the discussions usually end up going no where other than something like a flame war which make it hard for others to follow the conversation. People that join with a certain agenda are usally watched carefully until they show what they are really here for.

    I love to read people's different ideas, for the sake of possible meaningful and valid contradictions to my own understanding of the bible, however an all-in-one post that seems to be a copy and paste doesn't inspire me enough to go through it, particularly because it takes you 5 seconds to rehash maybe someone else's ideas and up to an hour to go over all the material and check the scripture references. It could end up just a waste of time for anyone to be involved in such a thread.

    Hope I haven't offended you. :jesus:

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    When you cut through all the stuff, Truth Files is a dispy. All of his points have been made and debated over and other on this forum.
     
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    But he has no interest in discussing them apparently - just copying and pasting. :BangHead:
     
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    hopper said:

    "joining the forum not to be apart of discussions but to push your doctrines"

    Tell us what you do hopper .... what do you push?

    You have no idea what I am about to do on this forum and a few of my postings are just the beginning ..... watch and see

    But I will tell you that the preterist must sit on the sidelines because you have extracted yourself from the promises of the Lord to the extent that there is nothing in common for us to discuss

    I will eventually discuss many things on this forum, but only with those who have reasonable comments and questions presented in an adult like fashion with a mature attitude

    I particularly do not like the caustic and abrasive demeanor which seems to be a hallmark of those who engage preterism ..... and I know why the behavior is present

    I also understand your theology as well or better than you do yourself and if you don't think so just wait and see
     
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    "But he has no interest in discussing them apparently - just copying and pasting."

    I have an interest and you will see soon .... and if you are holding on to certain dogmas that are extra-biblical you may not like what I will tell you

    If you are a serious student of the scriptures you will investigate

    If not, you may not

    Up to you

    If no interest that is ok with me
     
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    Truth Files,
    Your Quote:
    If Jesus died in AD 33 (and to this I agree), then the 483 years or 69 sets of
    Seven began in 444 BC...not 445 BC! (443+33) The reason I bring this up is that the exact number of years from Nisan of 444 BC to AD 33 was 476 years; not 477!!
    The only possible multiple of solar years (of 365 days) to get 483 Prophetic years (69th sets of 360-day years) was for the solar years to have been 476!!!

    The countdown of exact number of Solar Days ended on Palm Sunday!
    The countdown of exact number of Prophetic days ended on Nisan 30!!
    Jesus fulfilled Zech.9:9 on Nisan 9 and Dan.9:26A on Friday, Nisan 14!!!
    Mel Miller
     
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    Do you think that the Lord knows the exact time lapse for His 70 weeks of years [490 prophetic years] decreed for Israel Mel? .... the beginning of the time frame and the ending of the 69th week

    Do we know exactly on which day He was cut off?

    And about the dating of the return from the Babylonian captivity to rebuild the city of Jerusalem .... how do you know the exact dating [the day]?

    My sugestion to you would be to trust what He has written to be exactly as He has intented

    Do you think He is accurate ..... or just guessing? .... is the vision in Daniel 9:25-26 accurate, or flawed?

    And what has He said about the dating of the future 70th portion of the time frame that is coming and His involvement?

    This dating He has not revealed to us, but the significance of His coming intervention is profound ..... would you agree?
     
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    Truth Files,
    So far I agree with you. You will find I try to be very exacting...perhaps too much in fact. I condition the "dating" for the 70th Set of Seven on the fact
    that this final Seven must see 367 weeks on the Hebrew Calendar...to the day!
    It must see 365 weeks on our solar calendar...to the day including 2 leap years!!
    It must include 360 weeks for the Prophetic countdown ending on Tishri 15-16!!!

    Have you studied the evidence for the final Seven to possibly begin at the Feast of Tabernacles in the year 2026 so that it could be completed in 2033?
    Mel
     
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    Do those of the Israel Cult derive some sort of adrenaline rush from this sort of sensationalistic speculation? It has to be addictive I suppose. It's soooo exciting to be living in these 'last days', isn't it lastday?
     
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    I'm amused at folks who claim to know more than Jesus Himself claimed to know.
     
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    "Have you studied the evidence for the final Seven to possibly begin at the Feast of Tabernacles in the year 2026 so that it could be completed in 2033?"

    I understand this concept, but I do not consider the feast days of Israel's allotment to be in effect during this time .... but they will be reconstituted during the Lord's coming millennial kingdom .... after the tribulation period

    The Lord has not revealed the dating of His coming intervention to bring His wrath against an unbelieving intransigent world, so the concept you refer to cannot be used to determine the time

    His intervention will come suddenly with no warning [1Thessalonians 5:1-9; Matthew 24:36-39; Matthew 25:13; Luke 21:35]
     
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    Truth Files,
    You have the usual approach to when Believers will know the End is Near!
    Contrary to not knowing When the End is Near, Jesus says we will know!!
    It depends on the 70th "7" beginning and ending on the Feast of Tabs!!!
    You Write:
    Yes, because 2026 to 2033 meets every requirement needed for the 70th "7"!
    From Zechariah 14:9-16, with the Day of the Lord coinciding with the Feast
    of Tabernacles, i.e., Ingathering of the Endtime Harvest when Christ becomes the King of the Nations, Tishri 15-16 should begin that Reign!!
    No further revelation will be given than that which is already revealed; this comment contradicts His promise that we will "Know when the End is Near"!!!
    My friend, this observation continues to be true until the Lastday! You are
    putting up the primary reason Jesus gives for "knowing when the end is Near"!! For with the Signs of the Day of Wrath, we still won't know the Hour of His APPEARANCE!!!
    Mel Miller
     
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    I Salute Truth Flies because he remiinds me of Abraham Lincoln

    A. Lincoln once said "If what I feel were equally distributed to the whole human family, there would not be one cheerful face on the earth."

    The arrogance is so deep here that if Lincoln were still alive today he would no doubt add "If the arrogance displayed here were equally distributed to the whole human family, there would not be one humble person on earth."

    “Your understanding of the inspiration of Scripture is utterly astounding!” Mel

    Why thank you Mel!
     

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