The Date for Easter

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by saved by grace, Mar 17, 2011.

  1. saved by grace

    saved by grace
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2010
    Messages:
    123
    Likes Received:
    0
    Why do we celebrate Easter based on a formula of the Roman Catholic Church?
    Sometimes Easter comes early and sometimes late according to the Gregorian Calendar (named after Pope Gregory) that we use. This is because of a formula created by the Catholic Council of Nicaea in 325 AD which is based on the first full moon of spring.
    Passover this year is on April 19 so historically the Resurrection would be April 20 however based on this formula Easter is on April 24. Why not celebrate it the day after Passover?
    Also why do we use the name “Easter” which is of pagan origin?
     
  2. matt wade

    matt wade
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2009
    Messages:
    6,156
    Likes Received:
    76
    The question "Why not?" is just as easily asked.

    No one is forcing you to celebrate Easter.
     
  3. JohnDeereFan

    JohnDeereFan
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2009
    Messages:
    4,628
    Likes Received:
    11
    Two small things.

    First, it's important to understand that the Roman Catholic Church as we know it today didn't exist until 1054.

    Second, we were a part of that church.

    I think, a lot of times, people get confused about this for two reasons. The first being that we're so reluctant to do anything that might look "Catholic" that we throw a couple of babies out with the bathwater. The second being that I don't believe most people understand the differences between what we know as the Catholic Church today and the Catholic Church then.

    Remember, there is about 1400 years of Christian history that's our history, too. Don't let Catholics or your (easily justifiable) desire to be seperate from Catholicism steal your history from you.

    There's no rule that says you have to celebrate it on any specific day (or at all, for that matter). You're free to celebrete Easter whenever you like. Just don't become a legalist about it.
     
  4. quantumfaith

    quantumfaith
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2010
    Messages:
    6,890
    Likes Received:
    0
    :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:
     
  5. Dr. Bob

    Dr. Bob
    Expand Collapse
    Administrator
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2000
    Messages:
    29,402
    Likes Received:
    12
    Must be missing something from the illogic of the question in the op.

    WE do not set the date. It is tied to Passover. It is always the Sunday - remember, it is the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK (Mt 28) after the Jewish week of Unleavened Bread celebration. It is in honor of the empty tomb.

    Many think of "Passover" as just one day, one meal etc. It is part of the week - the meal can be held on any day during that feast. Hence Passover Seder a couple days ahead of the "day" in the NT account of our Lord.

    So we celebrate Resurrection Day on the Sunday after Passover/start of the Feast of Unleavened Bread (tied to the vernal equinox and moon phases). This year Pesach starts Monday 18th (actually sunset on 17th) so the next Lord's Day would be April 24th.
     
  6. saved by grace

    saved by grace
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2010
    Messages:
    123
    Likes Received:
    0
    The Orthodox split with the Catholic Church in 1054 but the Catholic Church we know today existed well before then. Augustine lived around 390 AD and was a Catholic Bishop. The word "Roman" was attached to the Catholic Church by the Church of England when the split under King Henry.


    The Baptism Church existed in 1054? Surely you don't believe the account in the Trail of Blood?

    Don't we need to be honest? History mentions only one Church with Popes and Bishops and that wasn't the Baptist Church.
     
  7. saved by grace

    saved by grace
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2010
    Messages:
    123
    Likes Received:
    0
    Passover this year is April 18-19th. Easter is April 24. I have read that some Orthodox still go by the Jewish Calendar so their Easter will be April 20th.
    In other words Jesus rose from the dead the day after Passover yet this year we are waiting 5 days before we celebrate Resurrection Day. Why? Becasue the Catholic Church has decided it would be this way.
     
  8. JohnDeereFan

    JohnDeereFan
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2009
    Messages:
    4,628
    Likes Received:
    11
    Not true, but you're certainly welcome to your opinion.

    That's true. However, the Catholic Church in which he was a bishop was very different than our modern understanding of the Catholic Church.

    No, I never said the Baptist Church existed in 1054 (something tells me that talking to you is going to be as bad as trying to talk to DHK). What I said was that there was only one Church and that all Christians, including the Christians who later became what we know as Baptists, were a part of that church.

    Yes. There was one Church, alright. And Baptists eventually sprang out of that one Church.
     
  9. NaasPreacher (C4K)

    NaasPreacher (C4K)
    Expand Collapse
    Administrator
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2003
    Messages:
    26,806
    Likes Received:
    78

    Ding, ding, ding! Exactamundo!
     
  10. preachinjesus

    preachinjesus
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2004
    Messages:
    7,406
    Likes Received:
    99
    Oh come on, the Trail of Blood has been so thoroughly refuted that it isn't worth the paper the original tracts were printed on.

    Baptists began in the late 1500s and early 1600s from English separatists who were heavily influenced by Dutch Anabaptists. You absolutely cannot trace Baptists back to the days of Jesus.
     
  11. JohnDeereFan

    JohnDeereFan
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2009
    Messages:
    4,628
    Likes Received:
    11
    I don't think he is. I think he's saying that's what I believe.
     
  12. John Toppass

    John Toppass
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2008
    Messages:
    1,062
    Likes Received:
    7
    OK you have convinced me. So now you do not have to celebrate Easter on that day, you pick your own or don't pick one. I will celebrate Easter with my family and church and it will not be because we are pagan. I hope I don't offend you and I will not be offended by you.
     
  13. percho

    percho
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2009
    Messages:
    3,897
    Likes Received:
    37
    Jesus arose from the dead three days and three nights following the Passover on which he died.
     
  14. Salty

    Salty
    Expand Collapse
    20,000 Posts Club
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2003
    Messages:
    22,133
    Likes Received:
    221
    Which means he died on Thursday - Riiigggghhhtttt:thumbsup:
     
  15. righteousdude2

    righteousdude2
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2007
    Messages:
    10,468
    Likes Received:
    138
    Happy Resurrection Day, Y'all!

    The day and time we set aside to celebrate the birth, death and resurrection of Christ is not as important to me as the desire to have a special day set aside to celebrate His presence for the meaning behind that special day.

    Does anyone truly think the Lord is going to punish followers for coming together to commemorate His birth, or resurrection on the wrong day?

    If this is the case, then ALL of should be following the lead of the Seventh Day Baptist, and worshiping God on the Sabbath, not Sunday.

    In fact, it may be a great idea to worship on both the Sabbath and Sunday just to cover our bases. :smilewinkgrin:

    Shalom,

    Pastor Paul :type:
     
  16. percho

    percho
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2009
    Messages:
    3,897
    Likes Received:
    37
    I'm not going there.
     
  17. percho

    percho
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2009
    Messages:
    3,897
    Likes Received:
    37
    Where is it first recorded that any of the ones God called out, that is his church celebrated his birth or resurrection and in what way did they do so?
     
  18. TCassidy

    TCassidy
    Expand Collapse
    Administrator
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2005
    Messages:
    12,246
    Likes Received:
    1,324
    In 31 AD, the only year the lunar phases match up, the Preparation Day for the Feast of the Passover, the day the Paschal Lamb was killed, fell on Wednesday. The following day, Thursday, was the first day of Passover, the "High Holy Day" mentioned in the gospels. If you use a literal hermeneutic Christ died at the same time as the Paschal Lamb, late toward evening on Wednesday. He was in the tomb from sundown Wednesday to sundown Saturday, 3 days and 3 nights. He arose at sundown Saturday, the first day of the week according to the Jewish method of determining the day, from sundown to sundown. When the ladies got to the tomb on Sunday morning, prior to dawn, the tomb was already empty.
     
  19. rsr

    rsr
    Expand Collapse
    <b> 7,000 posts club</b>
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2001
    Messages:
    10,079
    Likes Received:
    103
    Strictly speaking, the Western date of Easter is according to computations established by the Alexandrian church circa the fourth century (which the Roman church briefly rejected, then acquiesced to).

    It was at the Council of Nicea (325) that Easter was divorced from the Passover, partly so that Christians were not dependent on the Jewish calendar and partly because that calendar would sometimes place the Passover before the spring equinox.

    The Eastern churches often celebrate Easter on a different date because they adhere to the Julian calendar, which is increasingly diverging from the Gregorian calendar that we use.

    The first documentary evidence of celebration of Easter is from the late second century, when where was already controversy over the date. Presumably it had been celebrated some time before that, since people don't usually fight over things no one cares about. I suspect that it goes back much earlier, the Jewish Passover celebration having been naturally translated into a Christian observance.
     
    #19 rsr, Mar 18, 2011
    Last edited by a moderator: Mar 18, 2011
  20. David Lamb

    David Lamb
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2006
    Messages:
    2,982
    Likes Received:
    0
    I agree with the implied negative of your question. As far as I know, there is no scriptural instruction to celebrate the Incarnation on one particular day of the year. Jesus calls His followers to remember His death, but does not specify a particular day of the week/month/year. Christians in the New Testament met on the first day of the week, because that was the day He rose, but there is no biblical record of them have set a aside one particular day each year to remember or celebrate the Resurrection.

    Having said all that, the fact that Easter and Christmas are special times in the secular calendar can be used in a way similar to that in which Paul used the altar "To the Unknown God" in outreach at Mars Hill.
     

Share This Page

Loading...