The diffrence of Tongues in Acts and at Corinth

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  1. ONENESS

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    I know that it has been said before that there is a diffrence in the tongues used in Acts than at Corinth. My question is Does anyone want to take time out to compare and contrast the two. I have been reading up on a short thesus my Pastor wrote and found it very intresting.

    So does anyone want to take a look with me?

    God Bless
     
  2. Don

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    Could you please send it to me via e-mail?
     
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    Just off the top of my head, I would say in Acts, tongues were for a sign to the unbeliever, in Corinthians, Paul was instructing the use of tongues in a church service. More directed towards the believer's.
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    Hi Don are you referring to the Theses, or just the discussion?
     
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    Oh no, not another tongues thread :rolleyes: .
     
  7. Don

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    Oneness, yes, the thesis.

    We've had way too many tongues threads, with no fruit from those discussions.

    And I can't believe Naomi said that....
     
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    You can't believe ?
    Perhaps you need more Faith
    LOL! Just Kidding!
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    Out of curiosity, Naomi, I'm waiting for you to acknowledge (in any fashion) what DHK pointed out about your statement....
     
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    Don,
    I have already discussed my thoughts to DHK about that on another thread. I am not going to continue to re-hash it. We could go back and forth forever, but that does not edify anyone. When I shared my understanding of Corinthians, People have popped up on other discussions I have been involved in, and went off the topic to let me know how wrong speaking in tongues is. I am not going there with you or anyone else. I already shared my views. I went verse by verse. Speaking in tongues is not the most important issue. The Fruit we bear, and the character we possess are most important. They will know we are Christians by the love we have one for another. Love does not provoke.
    May we continue to encourage one another as the day draws near!
    God Bless,
    Naomi
     
  11. Don

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    (harumph)

    Naomi, the topic of this thread is the difference of tongues in Acts and at Corinth.

    You stated that tongues in Acts were a sign for unbelievers, and that the letter to the Corinthians was guidance for using tongues in church service (for believers).

    DHK subsequently pointed out that in the letter to Corinth, Paul unequivocably stated that tongues were a sign for unbelievers.

    Now, seeing as it's all on-topic, I'd really like to see your response to DHK's pointing out of a direct scriptural contradiction to your statement.

    Mainly because I didn't see the parley between you two before, and don't particularly care to back-track and re-read all the various threads looking for it.

    Now, the challenge is for you to either admit that 1 Cor 14 still means that Paul was telling the church at Corinth that tongues were a sign for unbelievers, or to scripturally back up your statement that at Corinth, tongues were for believers as well.
     
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    Originally posted by Don:
    Naomi, the topic of this thread is the difference of tongues in Acts and at Corinth.

    You stated that tongues in Acts were a sign for unbelievers, and that the letter to the Corinthians was guidance for using tongues in church service (for believers).

    Yes! Indeed I did.

    Don:
    Now, seeing as it's all on-topic, I'd really like to see your response to DHK's pointing out of a direct scriptural contradiction to your statement.

    Now, the challenge is for you to either admit that 1 Cor 14 still means that Paul was telling the church at Corinth that tongues were a sign for unbelievers, or to scripturally back up your statement that at Corinth, tongues were for believers as well.

    Alrighty then. Here is my response:
    Paul has indeed stated that tongues were for a sign to the unbeliever's, as we can see here:

    14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not:

    Paul also stated that tongues were to be used in a church service to edify the body, with an interpretation. Because if one comes in who is not a believer, they will think you are crazy! As Paul states here:

    14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

     
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    I wanted to add that Paul seems to be instructing the church as to the use of tongues in a church service.

    Paul is saying not to forbid to speak in tongues, but have things be done in order.

    14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

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    FORBID NOT IF:
    1. If there are no more than three at the most that speak in another language. (27)
    2. If those three speak in turn. (27)
    3. If, and only if, they speak with an interpreter. (27,28)
    4. If this different language is used as a sign to the unbeliever that is present. (22)
    5. If this different language is used specifically as a sign to the unbelieving Jew that must be present. (21)
    6. If, and only if, this is indeed a real language and not just some gibberish. (10-13)
    7. If, and only if, there are no women that speak in another language. (34,35)
    8. If, and only if, (according to this context and 1Cor.13:8-13), you use this gift only in the first century.
    9. If, and only if, you meet all the above ifs, then forbid not to speak in tongues.

    Is the gift of tongues for today? No. Is it Scriptural to speak in tongues today? No. Do the Charismatics keep the conditions that Paul has set forth in 1Corinthians chapter 14? No.
    DHK

    [ July 23, 2002, 01:14 AM: Message edited by: DHK ]
     
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    Would someone please explain to me what you mean by an unknown tongue?... My interpretation is somewhat different then what has been presented so far! The explaination is very simple and there no mystery to it once you understand it!... Brother Glen [​IMG]
     
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    I agree. There is no mystery here at all. The word "unknown" isn't in the Greek, as is shown in the KJV; it is in italics. That means it was put in there by the translators to make things more clear, but in this case it had the opposite effect. The word "tongue" simply means "language." And none of these (languages) are mysterious, but are real and known, though not always known to the one speaking them at the time. That's why it was called a gift--it was supernaturally given of God.
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    To an unbeliever it is still an unknown tongue until God changes his cold and stony heart when he is born again then the tongue that was unknown to him is now known... Only then is he brought to the realization of his Salvation which was at one time an unknown tongue!... Brother Glen [​IMG]
     
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    Thanks, Naomi!
     
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    People have popped up on other discussions I have been involved in, and went off the topic to let me know how wrong speaking in tongues is[Naomi]

    "Oh, I'm probably one of those folks! Didn't mean to get off topic, but I wouldn't have *popped* in had it not been on the topic of "tongues" vs. "modern-day-tongues"...That is always the issue, right; whether it's valid for today? I've never meant to be mean or unkind & I hope I'm not your enemy because I tell ya the truth! ;)

    I truly enjoy reading all the discussions concerning this issue, as it helps me to be better able to answer these "onenesses" that have completely taken over our area. It's like getting a higher education without having to leave home, & I really appreciate the effort that many have made to teaching Scriptural Truth. They have rightly divided God's Word many times over.
     
  20. Naomi

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    Your welcome Don :D !

    Granny,
    Alot of other discussions have not been about tongues, example: evil spirit poll, among other's.
    I do not think you have been mean spirited, and i do realize that you think speaking in tongues is very wrong. I am not a "oneness" I am not a Pentecostal. I believe in the Trinity.
    You are not my enemy. I know what the truth is, and I abide in it. Jesus is my Lord and Savior, and the Holy Spirit dwells within me. Yes, I do speak in tongues and make no apology for it. If you have a problem with that, that is your choice. I do not go against scripture in the least. I do not speak in tongues as a show to other people. I do not think this makes me more spiritual than anyone else. I do not think this is the greater gift, Love/charity is the best to possess. Do I believe it is for today? You betcha! (no apologies). You are biased about this, because you equate speaking in tongues to a cult. There are many counterfeits out there that use "tongues" that is why Paul said, you would know them by their fruit not by their gifts. Read all through church history, there will always be counterfeits, but if there are counterfeits, there must also be the real thing!
    If a man speaking in spanish came to your church, and said something, and someone who knew spanish interpreted it, how would that be considered a gift?
    The Holy Spirit dwells within us, Paul said this:

    14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

    8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.ysteries.

    There are times that our spirit is communicating with God.
    We are also encouraged to build up our faith by praying in The Holy Ghost: In the book of Jude.

    1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost.

    I am not in a cult, I share the same beliefs you do about who God is. I do not think we are going to change each other's views about this.
    I just do not want this to continually be a point of division for us. There are too many other things that unite us.
    God Bless!
    Naomi
    **For the record, I will not be involved in the tongues issue on the board, as it seems to turn out unfruitful in the end. However anyone can send me a pm, if they want any further discussion on this issue. [​IMG]
     

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