The Disruptive

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  1. Salamander

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    Many churches today have forsaken their busministries for several reasons.

    Without discussing all of them, one seems to be prevelent to a certain degree: that is, disruptive people coming on the buses and making it nearly impossible to get a message across without repeatedly calling the same ones down, time and time again.

    While I see the need of all to be saved and to grow in the nurture and admonition of the Lord, is it wrong to tell the bus riders, "If you don't want to be here and all you want to do is disrupt the preaching, then don't come." ?

    We've reached many who seem to posess genuine salvation, but due to a over-zealous attitude towards "reaching them", excuses are made for disruptive behavior quite often and we see very many quetionable professions due to that disruptive behavior .

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    Once I thought i'd look up to see how we can give Glory to God. I only found one way:

    Romans 15:7 (NLT = New Living Translation):
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    So accept each other just as Christ has accepted you; then God will be glorified.



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    Does that also mean that in the house of God that cursing, blaspheming, and sexual advancements along with gang activities and fights should be "accepted"???
     
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    We can't expect people to get "cleaned up" and then come to Christ. It doesn't work like that. When we find Christ, he's the one who cleans us up. Bussing in a bunch of unbelievers to "bring them to Jesus" and make them behave like Sunday School angels ain't gonna happen. We have to meet people where they are and let Christ change them. This is one reason why I believe most evangelism should be done outside the church building.

    Instead of bussing people in, why not focus on a different "program" to reach people? What about a weekly basketball session with a devotional? What about a ministry to single moms, like changing their oil or parenting lessons? Evangelism is a lot more than dumping people off at church for a free babysitting session where we try to un-do a person's lifestyle within an hour. They need to see we care about them (warts and all) before they'll believe Jesus cares about them.
     
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    We were perfectly willing to take care of disruptive children on our bus. No problem. But our ministry ended when no more children would ride the bus, we worked on that ministry and spent 3 years on it. But when God was done, He was done. We saw the first salvations we've ever had on our bus ministry, which turned out to be about 80%.
     
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    We cannot sacrifice the worship service in the name of evangelism. It seems of late that the worship service has become expendable. Our worship of God should take priority. And to allow disruption inhibits worship, and gives an incorrect picture of God. Worship is only about what we give God. It has nothing to do with getting anything from Him.

    Disruptive behavior is not acceptable in a worship service.
     
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    That is an awesome quote and a great explanation why many bus ministries fail. The need is not transportation, its ministry. We need to bring the gospel to the world, not the world to the gospel.
     
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    Our bus kids always sat with us, and when there were too many others would take a few to sit with. We hopeful taught them how to act in church, especially in worship service. We absolutely would never have allowed them to interrupt worship.
     
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    Great post! :thumbs:

    Our church is trying to find a balance, with offerings within and without. However, disruptions during worship isn't tolerated.
     
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    And I would never "clean a fish" before it is caught.

    I Corinthians 14:40, "Let all things be done decently and in order"

    No one expects them to act like "Sunday School angels", yet I do expect they should be taught how to behave in church.

    OK, but what will you do with those who only come to church because it is the only means for them to attend?

    What if, and it is the case, that the bus "church" they come to is the only church they have ever attended? What if they quit coming altogether if they are "made" to attend regualr services in the "Big Church"?

    What about excercising what God chose to save them which believe? PREACHING!
    Seems you're more against what I know is working and suggesting other approaches.

    We've been running buses for over forty years, it's just recently this sort of bad behavior has been overlooked and has caused fewer to respond to the invitations and even some "good" kids to quit coming altogether in fear of their safety.
     
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    So you believe we should not use the bus ministry as a mission work and leave these children at home in the God-forsaken mess they're in the rest of the 165 hours of the week??? (1 hour spent picking them up, 1 hour teaching and preaching, 1 hour to take them back to that mess, plus 165 hours equal 168.

    Our bus ministry is over forty years in progress and until recently has there been so many disruptive children coming and nothing seems to be done about it.

    We work with the older children and tell them they will behave and allow others to hear the Gospel or they'll be taken outside, and given a one on one Gospel presentation.:wavey:

    I believe you are mistaken and need to look at Luke 14 again.
     
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    BTW, God can do in a few seconds what men attempt to do in a lifetime and still never make a new convert.

    We bring these kids in with great expectation. They come with their friends. I wouldn't go to a church that I didn't have friends.

    I have found that door to door witnessing and soul winning only "works" to broadcast numbers, but very few ever come to the church they were approached by those church members.

    It's too easy to get professions outside the four walls and never see those grow in the Lord.

    While I agree with the order of service devoid of disruptions, I disagree with the mentality that the church is to be a "showplace" for the saints, but that it should rather be a hospital for the sin-sick!
     
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    I think it's amazing what people expect from the kids we bring into the church.

    Kids are going to act like kids. Lost kids are going to act like lost kids. Bottom line, ministry is messy. If you want to reach out to some of these troubled kids and students, you're probably gonna get dirty, muddy, and maybe even bloody.

    "Where there are no oxen, the manger is clean, but much work is gained from the strength of the ox." Proverbs 14:4. Translation... You'll get more work done if you have oxen, but your barn will be messy. If you want a clean barn, you won't get near as much work done. It's like that in ministry... to reach people, sometimes you have to get dirty.
     
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    Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and said to them, All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them inthe name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.


    "No where in scripture does it command sinners to come into the church."

    Dr. Curtis Hudson
     
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    Oh, I agree, but aren't we supposed to be teaching while preaching?

    Maybe you missed what I referred to as "disruptive"?

    I really don't believe anyone who has responded to this in this fashion has either an active bus ministry, or has never worked one.

    If they are actively working in a bus ministry, I really don't believe they are condoning gang fights, drug dealing, and prostitution rings in those minstries either.
     
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    Then go dig him back up and read Luke 14 to him over again.

    Sinners come to church all the time: lost sinners and saved sinners. The church is full of sinners.

    Now if you would take what he said in context and realize he was preaching to those who never try to win anyone to Jesus you might have a leg to stand on.

    Please don't take one of my heroes in the faith and twist his words in this fashion.
     
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    I have his 1975 sermon sitting right here on cassette tape. I know full well what he said. He was talking about people who will not leave the church to witness. Period. By the way Dr. Hudson was an avid door knocker. Also further in that message he tells of driving up and down 85 in Atlanta at 2 am with a can of gasoline looking for someone to witness to.
     
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    Then I misunderstood what you seemed to make apparent that we shouldn't bring in the lost and preach to them.

    Maybe I simply misunderstood?

    I've heard the sermon you refer to, and I know Dr. Tony Hutson personally. We've talked about this very subject and we both agree.
     
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    The lost should always be broght in. Some times folks want to come to church and see what Christianity is about. But we do not cater oue worship services toward them. That sacrifices true worship and is disengenuine.
     
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    If a church desires to win the lost for Christ then we need to be able to handle some of the ugly that comes with that. Respecting God's house is not birthed into us it is something we must be taught. The parents of some of these bus kids are not teaching respect for God at home and the church only has them for a few hours a week. It takes time. I have been a child of God for 30 years and He is still not done with me yet!
     

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