The Diversity of Islam

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  1. church mouse guy

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    Islam has never been a very tolerant religion. In the distant past they were much more tolerant of Christians and Jews, but "very tolerant" is, in my opinion, an overstatement.
     
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    Islam is only "tolerant" when they are the minority religion. When they become the majority then all tolerance goes out the window. This has been true since its very conception. Anyone who says otherwise is deceiving themselves.
     
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    Islam is an antichrist!!!
     
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    I HAVE TO AGREE. While I feel Muslims in America want to live and be like the rest of us, if push comes to shove and radical Islam came into power here, we'd see a sudden morphing that most would be surprised with.

    Most Muslims fear the religion and will follow like blind sheep.
     
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    True not only in regards to religion but also when there are few of them in a neighborhood.
     
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    A person only needs to read the Koran to know that Islam is not a tolerant religion.

    Many are mislead into thinking that there are moderate Moslems but they are like many Christians, Moslem in name only.
    It is their culture rather than their religion.

    The more devoted a Moslem is, the more radical they become.

    Rob
     
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    I have long held a theory I usually call the "binary system of deity," which means the number of gods believed in is either 1 or 0, as in a binary [base 2] number system. The more individuals, or cultures, take God down to the lowest identifiable recognition, the less room there is for any variation of Him. Therefore, it's either "my concept" of Him and then every other-- something that corresponds, often discouragingly, with monotheists and atheists. Joshua, Constantine, Charlemagne, Mohammed, Pope Urban II, Henry VIII, Oliver Cromwell, Josef Stalin, and Mao Tse-tung all held that binary [one or none] concept about God and therefore anything was justified to stomp out any other concept. It can be argued that it was all about power, not belief or the lack thereof, but the fact is that belief is a motivation, if not for the tyrant, then for those he must have to back him.

    The most 'tolerant' among all these binaries are those who have not "made up their minds," unless they've made theirs up to not make it up-- like the agnostics, the 'Christians' who come to church only on Christmas and Easter, Jews who celebrate Yom Kippur and little else. Jews, in fact, have a special tolerance for belief in no deity, but not for a different concept of a deity-- as the former does not make one a non-Jew, but the latter does.

    But much of Islam still thinks like Christianity, in its different versions, centuries ago; that the entire world must be converted to 'my' concept or put to death... which is also a good excuse to go conquering to control land and resources, as well as people. I maintain, along with this binary system theory, that there's never a clear line between the extent to which religion is a motivation to an action, as opposed to an excuse for it.
     
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    There are many passages in the Bible just as intolerant.
     
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    No, there aren't. Not even close.

    Never has God told his people to kill anyone and everyone in the world that does not believe in Him.

    The New Testament, the foundation for Christianity, says just the reverse. Love them. Even the non believers.
     
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    For the sake of discussion, what about killing all witches?

    Now, on topic: I've read the Koran. And it didn't appear any more violent than the Old Testament. Especially the part that says the Christian and the Jew are the Muslim's brothers, and are not infidels.
     
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    Maybe we can go back a few hundred years and make believe the inquisition wasn't run by catholics.

    Where in the old testament does God command that all who do not believe in him should be killed? Since you've read the Koran, you know it does.
     
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    Earlier Islam did make an exception (from forced conversion or death) when it came to Christians and Jews...that part is true. But the Koran is no more Islam than the Bible is Christianity. There is no redemptive quality when it comes to Islam because there is no Redeemer found in the religion. In the end...the world and Christianity are in opposition (regardless of which "holy book" the world chooses to carry).
     
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    Now that is a worthwhile contribution and nicely done.
     
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    Yes the exception was to force the "people of the book" to pay a special tax. If they refused to pay and refused to convert, they were to be killed.

    Some exception.


    Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them(2:191)
    Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood (9:123)
    When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them (9:5)
    Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax (9:29)
    Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable (3:85)
    The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them (9:30)
    Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam. (5:33)
    The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque (9:28)
    Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies
    (22:19)
    Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them (47:4)
    The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them (8:65)
    Muslims must not take the infidels as friends (3:28)
    Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an (8:12)
    Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels (8:60)

    There is your religion of peace.
     
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    I wonder if the folks on this board that judge others for their intolerance and racist leanings would be willing to let the radical intolerant, racist Islamist's know how bad they are? Maybe call them names; insult them; provoke them; and bully them for their intolerance and racist views. :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    Thank you.


    As you are quoting me, I must ask if you are referring to me.
    My religion of peace?

    I don't believe any non-Christian religion is at peace with Christ (or the Body of Christ). They may affront Christianity differently, but they are all in direct opposition to Christ. You don't have to look far to find that Islam is not the only faith in America that is intolerant of Christianity.
     
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    No. Bad place for the "your", perhaps. But it was intended for anyone who says islam is a peaceful religion.
     
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    Historically, Islam is not tolerant. Mohammed's belief, life and practice will reveal these as stated in their Quran and Hadiths.

    Now, there are many tolerant muslims but they are doing this by not following the belief, practice and examples of Mohammed as is written in the Koran and the Hadith.

    These are muslims that are either ignorant about their religion or water down their belief or teaching so that they will be acceptable to the modern society. These are those who are western educated and therefore condemned by the radical/fundamentalist muslims who are following closely what is written in Quran and Hadiths.

    For Islam, tolerance means you are free to exercise your religion if you pay the Jizya or protection money and consider yourself 2nd class citizen of an Islamic country.

    Many scholars believe jizya is sanctioned by the Qur'an, the primary source of Islamic law, based on the following verse:

    Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

    [Quran 9:29]
     
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    Always good to read the uninformed positions of so many around here. Especially when it comes to Islam, there is an abundance of misinformation and misunderstanding of the religion and its followers.

    I've always benefitted from my interactions with friends and peers who are Muslim. As I continue to seek these relationships with them, I am strengthened in my knowledge of Islam. While my goal is to effectively proclaim Christ, I do better understand their religion.
     

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