The Doctrine Of Election...

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  1. Rippon

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    by Charles D.Mallary (1801-1864). A snip from his booklet follows.

    Election harms no man --election damns no man. It does not pursue the criminal and force him down the precipice of ruin: but it plucks multitudes from that fatal brink and plants them on the rock of ages. In the execution of its merciful and eternal designs, it gathers out from the guilty,polluted,dying mass,...a great multitude which no man can number,of all nations, kindred and people and tongues;sweetly draws, graciously subdues; washes out their stains in the blood of the Lamb;guides them safely through all their perils and conflicts,and with them peoples the shores and fills the thrones of the celestial Canaan. If all had been left to perish, God's throne had been guiltless;that some are saved, shall redound to the honor of His name, and proclaim the riches of His grace through eternal ages.

    Why quarrel with that purpose which results in blessings like these? Why fall out with that arrangement which unfolds nothing but pure,unmixed and effectual mercy,and without which not one ray of saving light had ever pierced the dark night which sin has rolled upon the prospects of mortals? Why one culpritshould be savingly pitied rather than another,may never be fully explained to finite minds;but infinite wisdom has the best of reasons for all its acts: let mortals bow in holy adoration, and exclaim, "even so Father,for it seemeth good in thy sight."
     
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    Can't argue with what is stated in the above. Election unto Salvation is strictly God's determination alone and yet it works in absolute unity with man's responsibility. While there are different views as to how God works these things out, it cannot be denied those immutable truths of Election and man's responsibility.

    And this from a Non-Cal :saint:
     
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    :thumbs::thumbs:
    Amen:thumbs::thumbs:
     
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    He is free to bestow his grace on whomever he chooses,and distribute that grace in whatever way he chooses...there are many fools who believe that God will not favour one person more than another,or he could be accused of having a degree of severity in his nature. This is how they become confused about the free electing grace of God. They think that he is stretching out his hands to all mankind, and that if he were to choose any, it must be a general choice of all,without excluding any. Thus to them it is as if God's grace were flying through the air like a tennis ball, and that it is for us to stretch out our hands and catch it and apply it to our own use! In other words,it is as if all this depended upon our free will. many people have absorbed such teaching, displaying their own gross ignorance about what this expression 'acceptingof persons' means. However, the Scripture here declares that God will not withhold his grace, if it pleases him to choose a particular man and exalt him to an honourable position by pouring upon him the gifts and graces of his Holy Spirit. It does not matter to God whether such a person is white or black,old or young, upright or wicked,rich or poor,whether men love or hate him, or whether he is handsome or ugly. God does not take such trifles into consideration, for if he were to wait until he found something good in us,we would all still be in our original condition. This is what Paul means when he says that God is no respecter of persons.

    Taken from Sermons On Galatians :John Calvin translated by Kathy Childress (pages 134,135)
     
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    Hello Allan,

    The fact that election is a revealed doctrine shows how much we are sinners in need of the Great Salvation that God has prepared for us. We should all be able to thank God for it as Paul does in his prayer in Ephesians.:wavey:
     
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    Revealed? You mean like in a vision because Gentile election before Salvation is not in scripture.
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    “Then, throwing off all reserve, Paul and Barnabas said, "We were bound to proclaim God’s Message to you first. But since you spurn it and judge yourselves to be unworthy of the Life of the Ages*—*well, we turn to the Gentiles. For such is the Lord’s command to us. <"‘I have placed Thee,’> He says of Christ, <‘as a light to the Gentiles, in order that Thou mayest be a Saviour as far as the remotest parts of the earth.’"> The Gentiles listened with delight and extolled the Lord’s Message; and all who were pre-destined to the Life of the Ages believed.” (Ac 13:46-48 Wey)
     
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    Besides that Brother, let it be known (proclaimed through the streets) .... The foundation of the free offering of the gospel is NOT Election...it is Christs promise to save all who come to Him in belief.
     
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    Absolutely.

    What do you think Peter and the great bed sheet was all about?

    It was REVEALED as in a vision.

    And as Paul states in Eph. the gentiles were left out, excluded, and prevented from... until the cross.
     
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    Exactly!!!!!
     
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    And these are none other than the elect. :applause:
     
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    It is both revealed and in scripture.You have been shown this, but resist it for some unknown reason...


    1 Thessalonians 1

    King James Version (KJV)

    1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

    2 We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers;

    3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

    4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.


    Here is an example...maybe you missed this verse???

    or here?

    47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

    48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

    49 And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region.
     
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    The comforting fact and truth is that all who are saved need to understand and embrace, even in facing all their own sinful unworthiness that God has in fact elected them to salvation. That is a humbling and profound truth to ponder and is a point wherein the elect glory in Him.
     
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    Only those whom have been chosen and elected to be saved by the father will ever respond to that message though!
     
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    May I respectfully ask you a question? Are you inferring you cooperated with the Spirit of God....the result being your regeneration?
     
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    Isn't that what I just said? :wavey:
     
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    Prevented from what? Are you implying that there were no "elect" until the call of Abraham. Scripture certainly does not justify such a belief!

    Hebrews 11:1-10, 31
    1. Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
    2. For by it the elders obtained a good report.
    3. Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
    4. By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
    5. By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
    6. But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
    7. By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
    8. By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
    9. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
    10. For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

    31. By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.


    And then of course there is the old patriarch Job who tells us:

    Job 19:25-27
    25. For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
    26. And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
    27. Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.


    And who can forget the Gentiles Tamar and Ruth who, along with the Gentile Rahab, were progenitors of Jesus Christ! In my opinion it is irrational to believe that only the children of Israel constituted the "elect of God" before the cross. Furthermore, the Apostle Paul tells us that not all of Israel were not among the "elect of God".
     
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    Good to see you back OR :)
     
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    Ephesians states:

    Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision,” which is performed in the flesh by human hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

    Was Paul mistaken?

    Perhaps you can reconcile your post with what Paul stated.
     
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    What ever version you use it certainly doe not line up with the Bible I use. We are not predestined to Salvation. And we are chosen for Salvation only after we believe.
    Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
    The Grammar in verse 48 you presented does not match up with how it is said in the Greek.
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