The Egg of Ideology and the Hard Rock of Realty

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  1. Crabtownboy

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    This is a topic I have been mulling over this past week. What are your thoughts on this topic? I may begin another thread on this once my thought are in order.
     
  2. Arbo

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    Is this about pragmatism?
     
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    Pragmatism would play a small part in this. But that is not the main issue.

    I am speaking of when blind faith in an ideology blinds a person to reality. An example from history, American doctors refusing to believe in sanitation and refusing to believe in germs even though Lister had shown absolute convincing evidence in how lives could be saved with sanitation. For instance because of this blind following of ideology Garfield was not killed by the bullet from the pistol, but from infection caused by doctors.

     
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    Depends on the merit of the ideology, does it not?
     
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    What are the consequences when the ideology is bad, but people insist on following it blindly as reality does not fit their beliefs? See post #3.
     
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    Idealism is for those who cannot come to terms with reality nor the world as it is. I mean this sincerely.
     
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    A second Obama term.
     
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    One of the most apt examples to compliment post # 3
     
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    Earth, ideology and idealism are very different concepts.

    Idealism is the cherishing or pursuit of high or noble principles, purposes, goals, etc.

    Ideology the body of doctrine, myth, belief, etc., that guides an individual, social movement, institution, class, or large group.
    Arbo, Just ... thanks for totally nonsense answers. Totally off topic and should be removed.
     
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    It may be one that you disagree with, but it's not nonsense.
     
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    It is not that I agree or disagree with your post. It is simply that your post has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this thread, thus it is simply a nonsense reply.

    In case you do not understand, the topic is what are the results when an ideology that is out of touch with reality meets reality?

    Like the example given about American doctors refusing to accept the new reality that germs exist and sanitation would save lives. There are many historical examples that can be cited.

    Here is one thought that came to me. Reality does not conform or change to accommodate ideology.

    I would appreciate you replying, on topic with a thought out answer and not an attempt at a cute one-line that says nothing. Thanks in advance.
     
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    Re: Obama's second term.
    Idea: The apparent majority in America believe that Obama's agenda can be had with little real expense. They believe it's only the rich and greedy big business who will see their taxes increase. This belief was reaffirmed last tuesday.

    Reality: We've yet to see the full results, but we know that taxes will go up for almost everyone.

    I know my point is overly simple, but I hope that you don't consider this a cute one-liner that says nothing.
     
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    You still do not seem to understand. If you want to talk about current politics start a new thread. Actually your first line might make a good beginning of a new thread.

    Note, this thread is not in the Politics thread, but in the Other Discussions. I purposely did not place it in the politics thread as I wanted a non-political discussion on this topic.




     
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    Reality does not conform or change to accommodate ideology.

    I believe my point is on topic, if the above quote of yours is what the thread is about.

    I guess I don't understand what you are looking for.
     
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    I know people who have a naive trust of people who call themselves "Christian" e.g. They want to only go to "Christian" doctors. I have been screwed to many times by people claiming to be "Christian." I would trust a person with an "Arab" name before a person with a fish symbol on their advertisement.
     
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    Along that line, and in all seriousness, I'd be more trusting of a mormon than someone who called himself a christian (generic sense). I have yet to find one who did not do business with me in an honest way.
     
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    >I am speaking of when blind faith in an ideology blinds a person to reality. An example from history, American doctors refusing to believe in sanitation and refusing to believe in germs even though Lister had shown absolute convincing evidence in how lives could be saved with sanitation. For instance because of this blind following of ideology Garfield was not killed by the bullet from the pistol, but from infection caused by doctors.

    A current example might be climate change, whatever the reason. The current issues of National Georgaphic and Scientific American have articles about current data and historical evidence going back thousands of years about sea level rise wiping out villages and hugh living areas.

    A current example is government finance. Large companies know that roofs will leak and machines wear out and plan for it. Govrnments and and military are not permitted to plan for maintainance. Fairchild AFB, a major air tanker base, repair facilities from WW2 that are VERY expensive to operate and zero replacement funds. The planes now being flown were built by the grandparents of the pilots. The reason a small replacement part costs 100 times it's modern worth is that the production line was shut down 40 years ago.

    School districts can't budget for building repair and replacement. The voters would go crazy if a school distric had a million bucks in the bank because a new building would needed in 10 years.

    Around here road repair costs could be cut in half if studded tires were banned. Fat chance of that! With 90% of the cars having front wheel drive, 4WD, or AWD, when road conditions are such that studs might help it is to dangerous for 90% of the motorists to be driving anything.
     
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    Well, I know the answer is 42, but what was the question?:smilewinkgrin:
     
  19. Crabtownboy

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    I have a good friend who uses the "Christian Yellow Pages" to hire repairmen, workmen, servicemen, etc. for all work around her house. It is so shameful how often she has been cheated by these Bible quoting people.

    The Christian Yellow Pages is the last place I would go to find such people. I know, this is a sad comment ... but so many cheaters advertise in these publications because they know there are so many easy touches out there for them to cheat.

    I am sure there are good, honest Christians who advertise in this type of publication, but how can the bad be recognized from the good?
     
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    I hear tell "by their fruits ye shall know them", or words to that effect.
     

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