I want to address just one aspect of the fallen nature of man in this thread and that is the fact that it is the same problem since the fall in Genesis three and has not changed from that time till now. Some on this forum hold to the erroneous belief that man is not conceived in the womb in a state of spiritual separation from God. However, by passing that argument for the moment, what I want to deal with is what should be common ground. Since Genesis all who have come to age where they can discern right from wrong have individually rebelled against God and are sinners and thus at least from that point it must be admitted they are spiritually separated from God and thus spiritually dead. 1. Most of the New Testament passages dealing with the sinful condition of man are quotations from the Old Testament - hence the same problem before and after the cross. 2. Spiritual death is spirtual separation from God and thus spiritual union is spiritual LIFE both before and after the cross. I am suggesting that man has had the very same problem before and after the cross and there has never been but one Biblical solution for that human condition. There never has been but one Savior, one way, one gospel, one blood of the everlasting covenant only made manifest in the first coming of Christ but promised and applied by faith before the cross since the garden of Eden. Furthermore, where there is no regeneration/spiritual life there is no spiritual life and where there is no spiritual life there is no possibility of progressive sanctification as progressive sanctification cannot originate out of spiritual death. Furthermore, where there is no regeneration there is no justification as God cannot possibly justified the spiritually dead in tresspasses and sins. Furthermore, where there is no regeneration/spiritual life there can be no remission of sins as God cannot remit the sins of the spiritually dead in tresspasses and sins as it is those very sins that SEPARATE man from God which is SPIRITUAL DEATH.