The Fate of the Worshipers of the Antichrist

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  1. Rev. Komnick

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    The Fate of the Worshipers of the Antichrist: For those people who will soon receive the 666 economic mark on either their foreheads or their right hands after King Jesus supernaturally transports those of us who have BELIEVED on Jesus as our personal Savior, the worshipers of Antichrist will have the smoke of their torment ascend up for ever and ever: and they shall have no rest day nor night for whoever worships the beast (the Antichrist) and whosoever receives the mark (666) of his name. (paraphrased from Revelation 14:11) http://www.geocities.com/savedbytheshedbloodofgod/best7.html?986535365030
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  2. Dr. Bob

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    Steve - You used the word "soon" to describe folks getting the mark of the antichrist. Do you believe we are seeing the fulfillment of Rev. 4-19 NOW?
     
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    To get all conspiratorial, perhaps credit cards are the number of the beast. After all, you can't rent a car without one. And if you don't get one, you don't have a credit history with which to get a mortgage for a house. I wouldn't be surprised when they turn everything to a common plastic swipe card. And the mark on the hand or forehand is talking about having to remember that pesky PIN number.

    Of course 666 is a number which signifies Nero, so perhaps we're living post-rapture. Oh no! We missed it! Don't be deceived, lest you get blasted by a fireball. Oh my! oh my!

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    Or perhaps Domitian? Oh no, that is not as exciting or scary as the Tim Lehaye version. We could never accept that.

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    Thanks, Steve, kinda figured that was what you meant (not that we were already in the tribulation and that the mark was coming soon).
     
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    I'm curious:

    Where is Scripture does it say Jesus will "supernaturally transports those of us who have BELIEVED"?
     
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    GOD said it, so I'm pretty satisfied with the source . . <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope. We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.

    According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

    After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage each other with these words.

    Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
     
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    Dr. Bob:

    You stopped one verse too soon [​IMG]

    Notice 1 Thess 5:3 For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.

    The destruction of the wicked occurs at the same time as the "rapture" , i.e., on the last day.

    John 6:39 "This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.
    John 6:40 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day."

    [ April 23, 2001: Message edited by: Chris Temple ]
     
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    Brother Chris, make sure you are not looking at two mountain tops from such a distance that you cannot see the deep and wide valley between them. This was, I believe, the problem the Jews of Our Lord's time on earth. They saw the Kingdom and the Lamb of God, but from such a distance that they could not do so clearly and differentiate the two.

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    Oh, I've got my eyes squarely on both peaks ;) It's called the two-age model of prophecy.

    A major basis of biblical prophecy is that of the two-age model of eschatology. This is the belief that there is an “already and not yet” tension built into the Scriptures, describing prophecy fulfilled in the present age in part, and yet the final fulfillment of prophecy awaits at the end of the age. Some things are already, yet other things of the same type are not yet. Very often, soon and future prophesies are given in the very same passage, as in Matthew 24. We are presently saved, yet we must work out our salvation, and will not be saved finally until Christ returns. The kingdom has come, as proclaimed by Christ at his First Coming, the kingdom exists through the church now on earth and Christ’s reign in heaven, yet the kingdom will come finally and completely at his second return. Scripture speaks of this age and the age to come. The Scriptures speak abundantly about the two-age tension.

    As Hoekema states:
    Tension between the already and not yet is implicit in the teachings of Jesus. For Jesus taught that the kingdom of God is both present and future, and that eternal life is both a present possession and a future hope. This tension, further, also pervades the teachings of the Apostle Paul. For Paul the life of Jesus reveals itself at the present time in our mortal flesh (II Cor. 4:10,11), but the presence of this new life is provisional and imperfect, so that one can speak both if its being revealed and of its being hidden (cf. Col. 3:3; Rom. 8:19; 23).

    Also, Hoekema stresses that this already-not yet tension, while pervading the New Testament, is also found abundantly in Revelation. He notes that neither an exclusively futurist nor preterist position does justice to this tension in the book. Trying to understand prophecy while ignoring the already-not yet tension will lead to either a spiritual-only interpretation or a strictly literal and unscriptural fulfillment of not yet received realization. The already-not yet tension allows us to understand what we have come to know as the signs of the times. In opposition to the imminent return of Christ as believed by the premillennialist, Scripture is clear that certain things must take place before Christ returns. These are spelled out abundantly in Matthew 24. The premillennialist’s imminency is mirrored by the preterist’s immediate fulfillment idea of Matthew 24. Neither view adequately views the already and not yet tension of biblical prophecy. The only way a premillennialist can deal with the signs of the times being fulfilled as well as the imminency passages like Matthew 24:40,41: “Then shall two men be in the field; one is taken, and one is left: two women shall be grinding at the mill; one is taken, and one is left”; and Luke 17:34,35: “I say unto you, In that night there shall be two men on one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. There shall be two women grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left,” (ASV); is to insert the idea of a secret rapture of believers. Yet in the parable of the wheat and the tares in Matthew 13, it is the tares, or non-believers who are gathered together first! This aspect of the rapture is ignored by the dispensationalist (as is the very noisy return of the Lord in I Thessalonians 4:16). When viewed in the two-age model, imminency of return is an impossibility. Certain things must occur first: The preaching of the gospel to all the world, the great apostasy, the great tribulation, and the revelation of antichrist. These signs of the times have begun already in the first century and thereafter in the already phase; the great missionary journeys of the Apostles, the apostasy of the middle ages and the heresies of Rome, the ongoing tribulation of Christians throughout the world through history, and the appearing of many antichrists as John has told us. Yet the great fulfillment of these predictions still occur in their ultimate appearing in the future. The Scriptures tell us that sin against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or the age to come (Matt. 12:32); eternal life is received in the age to come (Mark 10:30; Luke 18:30); God’s power will come in the age to come (Heb. 6:5); and Jesus has rescued us from this present evil age. Also the harvest is at the end of the age (Matt. 13:39); the angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just (Matt. 13:49) and Christ is with us until the end of the age (Matt. 28:20). The clear teaching of the New Testament is that there are two ages in eschatology; this “present evil world” (Gal. 1:4) and the end of the age or the age to come. While the Second Coming cannot be imminent, it will be sudden and unexpected when Christ does return (I Thessalonians 5:2).
     
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    Actually, to be more precise, there are 2 segments of the fate of the worshippers of the Antichrist:
    A) They will suffer torment beyond what the human mind can even imagine when they will be stung by demonic creatures resembling scorpions for a period of 5 months, "And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; they shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them." (see Revelation Chapter Nine). This torment will occur BEFORE THEIR DEATH.
    B) The second phase of their torment will be AFTER THEIR DEATH when, ". . .the smoke of their torment ascends up forever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night." (Revelation 14:11a) http://www.geocities.com/savedbytheshedbloodofgod/best7.html?986535365030 http://www.geocities.com/SavedByTheShedBLOODofEmmanuel http://www.geocities.com/i_love_kingjesus/love.html
    So thanks and praise to God that those of us who trust His holy shed BLOOD to pay our sin debt will be BO-BOW SU LONG-IT (up in Heaven) when the Antichrist will soon be revealed after MILLIONS OF US BORN-AGAIN CHRISTIANS DISAPPEAR! Praise God that King Jesus is RETURNING SOON!!! (Revelation 22:7,12,20).
    Rev. Steve Komnick
     
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    Well, I guess I would call myself a Amillinelist with a PostMill edge to it. I like both views and think both compliment one another. The PreTrib view seems to teach a escapist theology for the Church rather than a Millitant Church carrying out the great Commission til the end of the World when Christ returns (Mt.24:14, 28:18-20)
     
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    Sister, thanks and praise to God, that I won't be here (and neither will any other people who have trusted GOD'S HOLY SHED BLOOD TO PAY THEIR SIN DEBT) when those horrible demonic creatures (resembling huge scorpions) will be flying around terrorizing the population of the world stinging people WITH A PAIN SO INTENSE THAT THEY WILL WISH THEY COULD DIE BUT WON'T BE ABLE TO FOR A PERIOD OF FIVE MONTHS (SEE REVELATION CHAPTER NINE): "And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; they shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them." http://www.geocities.com/savedbytheshedbloodofgod/best7.html?986535365030 http://www.geocities.com/SavedByTheShedBLOODofEmmanuel
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    Rev. Komnick:

    I take it you also believe that a pregnant a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and with a garland of twelve stars on her head will literally appear? And you are expecting to see a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads as well? (Rev 12). Were the prophecies in Revelation to occur literally, or representatively?
     
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    Brother Komnick - I whole-heartedly agree about the need to preach the Good News of the Gospel NOW while there is time. Some on the BB will have different interpretations of Revelation in general and prophecies in particular, though.

    Do want to ask you how we discern which parts of Revelation are to be fulfilled literally and which are only symbolic.
     
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    DON'T take the 666 Mark: Christian Advice

    If any of you have a Christian website, you're invited to join my webring: DON'T take the 666 Mark: Christian Advice

    Here's how you pull it up on the internet: www.webring.yahoo.com
    Then click on "Religion and Beliefs", then click on "Christianity", then click on "Advice", and then scroll down until you see "DON'T take the 666 Mark: Christian Advice" and click it on.
    Rev. Steve Komnick, Missionary/School Evangelist
     
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    Rev. Komnick:

    The most important thing in the world is not keeping people out of hell. The most important thing is to glorify God and enjoy him forever. And this we do by making his name known among the nations. By doing so God calls to himself his sheep who know his voice. He has many people in these cities. The great news is that no one whom the Father has chosen will ever be in hell.

    Eph 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,
    5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,
    6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He has made us accepted in the Beloved.

    [ April 26, 2001: Message edited by: Chris Temple ]
     

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