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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by LadyEagle, Jul 10, 2006.
An interesting study:
Really a good study. Do you think the trumpets in Revelation mean the same thing, or if there is a Rapture, do you think in Revelation it starts at Rev 4:1. I am still undecided about the subject.
The rapture can be seen in the OT and the NT. In Revelation the rapture is seen in chapter 1.
I agree with JJ, that the Rapture is in Rev. 1.
 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,...
The trumpets in Chapter 8 are not related to the Rapture, but to judgments.
The study of the Feasts of Israel is a subject I am trying to learn more about in depth. There is much to be learned.
I can see your point. One time in the past, and dont remember who or when, the verse "come up hither" was used as the start of the rapture, since the churches are never mentioned after that. Thanks for your post.
I always thought the rapture was 4:1
1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
Yes, speaking of the same event in Rev. 4:1. Thanks for the reminder.
Also notice a "door" was opened in heaven. Who is the "door?"
So, Lady, the first chapter and 4:1 are the same event right? Also, the tabernacle is a great subject, as the book of Hebrews makes some good reading on this subject.
One can find the rapture in Rev 1 and Rev 4:1 only if they filter it through a dispensational presupposition.
Further, explain please, how John can be back on earth in Rev 10:1 if he's been raptured? "And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven..."
I will answer my own question about the door:
John 10 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
saturneptune, thanks for bringing up the tabernacle. Please post your thoughts about your study in Hebrews, as the feasts and tabernacle are related.
John is witnessing what is going on in heaven and earth at the same time. I see no conflict between Rev. 1, Rev. 4 and Rev. 10:1.
Am intending to study the barley harvest in relation to the Feasts in greater detail. Would appreciate any input regarding the barley harvest. A wheat harvest would have the chaff driven off. I don't think this is the case with barley. Will study more.
About the Barley Harvest
About the Feast of Trumpets
Interesting article about Rosh Hashana, or the Feast of Trumpets
(AType of the Rapture of the Church)
So I have a question.
Feasts 1 thru 4 are in the spring. Jesus' death and reserection happened on the day of the feasts 1-3. The penicost happened on the day of feast 4.
Feasts 5 thru 7 happen in the fall.
DO you think the rapture, second comming and judgement will happen on the day of these feasts?
In other words can we look at a Jewish calender and say today is the feast of trumpits so if the rapture is this year it will be on this day?
Jesus Himself said that "no man knows the day or the hour.." And it will be according to God's timetable. I personally believe it is possible that the Rapture will take place during the Feast of the Trumpets but do not know what year and then on the other hand, I could be completely wrong - it is just my opinion. In reality, I do look for the Rapture to occur at any time, any day and would not encourage anyone to set any dates, nor do I set dates. Date setters have always been proved to be wrong.
Here is some more information about Rosh Hashanah (Feast of the Trumpets) from a website. Interesting to me is the sounding of the shofar. "the final blast in a set, which lasts (I think) 10 seconds minimum." The last trump?
If anyone has any more information on this or the other Feasts, please feel free to post it on this thread.