The First Epistle of Clement to the Corinthians

Who is Clement? There's no such writer in my Bible.

 

You wrote the bible? Wow. Cool. :laugh:

 

The ones I own are mine--just as my car is mine.

 

Clement is cool. Unlike most of the early church fathers, he actually sounds like Scripture. The others, for all their piety and usefulness, sound woefully inferior.

Now, about that apostolic succession passage, I've seen different translations. How does yours read?

 

You made your car? How cool can you get? :laugh:

Of course I'm teasing. I don't the the OP was saying Clement was in the bible. He is a bishop of Rome in possibly aroud AD 90. Corinth hadn't changed too much since Paul wrote his letter to them. They were demonstrating similar problems and Clement wrote to them to cut the nonsense. The thing about Clement's letter is it sounds a lot like Paul himself writing it. You can definately see Paul's influence. Especially since Clement quotes him.

 

I for one, would like to read Paul's letter to the church of Laodicea. I wonder why the catholic church has never tried to fabricate that one?

 

Are you, sir, insinuating that the Roman Catholic church fabricated the letter of Clement to the Corinthians? Are you saying that the Roman Catholic Church fabricated the Didache, all of Ignatius letters, the apologies of Justin Martyr, Ireanaeaus against Heresies, the Martyrdom of Polycarp and a slew of others? Are you in fact saying that the Roman Catholic Church has been working a conspiracy from the dawn of Christianity to this very day? If you are you're not alone. Dan Brown agrees with you. But I have another question for you. How can you trust the NT? I mean after all Clement was around during some of the writing of the NT. Who's to say that this Roman Catholic conspiracy did not affect which 27 books were canon? I mean doesn't Jude sound strange with its quotes from 1 Enoch and the Assumption of Moses? No one can verify who wrote Hebrews (catholic plot?) Or what about Pauls letters very similar to Clement. Maybe Clement wrote as Paul and Paul didn't really write them at all. It was a Catholic whom you may have problems with (the bishop of Alexandria) who first listed the books of the NT that we now have. Athenasius. Hmmmm?

 

Hang on there Mr. Thinkingstuff, I never insinuated or said anything that you claim in your questions. It is however verifiable that the babylonian whore has fabricated documents and I am curious why they did not fabricate a letter from Paul to the church at Laodicea since it is mentioned in scripture. Maybe they were smart enough to realize that it could actually be found one day and hence expose them.:laugh:

 

Babylonian Whore? You honestly believe that the Roman Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon that the Apocalypse of John speaks of? I honestly don't know what to say about that but that was a common title from the time of the reformation and is carried to the present through Jack Chick. I disagree with the sentement however.

Now did the RCC fabricate the documents or did practitioners fabricate documents outside the authority of their church? Which documents are you talking about? Why do you think the RCC is in the habit of fabricating documents? Just curious.

 

That sounds like a quote.

 

I think his point was a link is needed, or at the least quotations and the author stated, else it is considered to be plagiarism.

 

Thanks. I won't go so far as to say the RCC is the Whore of Babylon but there are things that give me pause. I will contend that there are Catholics who will enjoy the Lord's supper with us despite the things that give me pause.

 

Well, there were popes that did very bad things. But I get your point.