The fourth Commandment Inclusion

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  1. Dr. Walter

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    Neither Genesis 1-2 or Exodus 20:9-10 ever use or qualify the sabbath by the words "of the week" and for good reasons.

    Such a restriction would have denied God the right to apply the Sabbath rest to anyting other than a literal 24 hour day and/or to any other day than the seventh day "of the week."

    However, the Sabbath rest is applied to a seventh YEAR as well as a 50th year in addition to 24 hour days, as well as other days in the Jewish calander month other than the seventh day "of the week." It is applied to the 1st, 7th, 8th, 14th, 15th, 21st and 22nd of the days of the month in Leviticus 23.

    Hence, the Sabbath command is stated in language that is inclusive of these applications. In regard to days it is merely six days working followed by a Sabbath regardless of what particular day "of the week" that may or may not fall upon. The Jewish calander and all other human calanders and was a DATE rather than DAY orientated calander based upon a Luner month with additional days added throughout the year to make a full year. This is easily seen for the DATES given for SABBATHS in Leviticus 23. However, even the term "day" or "yom" in the proper context can exceed a 24 hour day as seen in its use in Genesis 2:4 which sums up the whole seven day period as one "day." Or in the context where "a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day." Therefore even in the use of "day" in the fourth commandment there is grounds to apply the Sabbath principle to longer time spans than 24 hours but to a "month" or "year" or a "millenium" thousand year period.

    This broader principle is encapsulated in the fourth commandment wording that gives it ability to be applied far wider than a 24 hour Sabbath or to be restricted to any particular day of the week but applicable to any day of the week or month God chooses to apply the sabbath law (Lev. 23).

    Everyone of the ten commandments have an external application but they also have an inherent broader application and are inseparable from each other as to fail in "one point" is to fail all points - James 2:10. The fourth commandment is so worded to include both the external and inherent broader principle as evidenced by its broader application in Leviticus 23-25.

    Hence, the fourth commandment only requires one in seven days to be designated as Sabbath without any regard to what particular day that sabbath may or may not fall upon. The phrase "of the week" is purposely omitted to allow for the Jewish Calander for time zone differences and for a change of Sabbath under the New Covenant. That change is predicted in Psalm 118:20-24 with Acts 4:30-31 and Mark 16:9 and Hebrews 4:1-11 and Revelation 1:10.
     
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    In Ex 16:23 God says "Tomorrow is the Sabbath"

    In Ex 20 God says "THE seventh day is THE Sabbath of the Lord your God".

    The punishment for Sabbath breaking was very specificaly - not applicable to week day 1 or 2 or 6.

    In Gen 2:3 "God Blessed THE SEVENTH day and sanctified IT because in IT He rested"
    In Ex 20:11 "IN SIX DAYS the Lord MADE"... six days? Six months? six years? six billion years? -- it means exactly six DAYS.
    In Ex 20:11 "AND rested on THE SEVENTH DAY; THEREFOR the Lord BLESSED THE SEVENTH day and mad IT holy".

    NONE of the Lev 23 annual holy days are "automatically" holy on their own simply because of Ex 20:8-11. Rather the specific language of Lev 23, divine fiat imperative by God Himself - identifying each one of the annual Sabbaths is needed for IT to ALSO be holy. It is not made into a holy day merely by the "existence" of the 7th-day Sabbath. Thus no example of Abraham keeping Passover.

    in Christ,

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    You have not said one word that disproves one statement I have made in my initial post. You have not provided the words "of the week" in anything above. You have not disproven that the sabbath command is worded so that it can be applied to 24hour days, 7th, 8th, 10th, 14th, 15th, 21st, 22nd days, or "day" in a larger period of time as in a whole period of days (Gen. 2:4) like months, year, thousand year periods.

    Your response is simply hot air.
     
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    In Gen 2:3 "God Blessed THE SEVENTH day and sanctified IT because in IT He rested"
    In Ex 20:11 "IN SIX DAYS the Lord MADE"... six days? Six months? six years? six billion years? -- it means exactly six DAYS.

    In Ex 20:11 "AND rested on THE SEVENTH DAY; THEREFOR the Lord BLESSED THE SEVENTH day and mad IT holy".




    It is left as a simple exercise for the reader to see if "The 7th day is the Sabbath" looks like "the 10th day is the Sabbath" or "the 15th day is the Sabbath" in Ex 20:8-11.

    It does not get any easier than this.

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    Nobody is denying that the fourth commandment has a direct application to 24 four hour periods and the seventh day in the creation account!

    However, what I am denying is that the fourth commandment is restricted to the creation account or the seventh day or to 24 hour periods.

    1. Exodus 20 says we are to "remember" the Sabbath because of the creation days and on the seventh God rested.

    2. Deuteronoby 5 we are to "remember" the Sabbath because of redemption out of Egypt BUT NOT ONE WORD ABOUT CREATION. Hence, the Sabbath includes creation but extends beyond creation as a reason to observe it:

    3. The Sabbath law includes the 7th day in Leviticus 23 but is extended by God beyond the "seventh" day but to the 1st, 8th, 10th 15th, and 22nd in Leviticus 23.

    4. The Sabbath law includes the 24 hour period day but in Leviticus 23 it is extended beyond the 24 hour period to the seventh "month" and seventh "year" and 50th "year" and most believe to a 7th millennium of years.

    Although seventh day Sabbatarians are correct in their application of the Sabbath law to the 7th day in creation they are incorrect in restricting merely to the creation sabbath. Although they are correct for applying it to 24 hour periods they are incorrect to restrict it to 24 hour period as God applies it to periods of time beyond 24 hours.

    God never restricts the Sabbath to the seventh day "of the week" but merely to the seventh day after six preceding days. God does not applies the term "yom" in Genesis 1:1-2:4 to a 24 hour period but does not restrict it in Genesis 1-2:4 to a 24 hour period (Gen. 2:4). Why? Because God intends the Sabbath law to be WIDER in application (depending on the context) than the seventh day "of the week" or seventh "day" as in a 24 hour period because in Leviticus 23 it is applied to 1st, 8th, 10th, 15th and 22nd days as well as to a seventh "year" and 50th "year."
     

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