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The Future of this Christian

Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by 3AngelsMom, Jul 22, 2003.

  1. Eladar

    Eladar New Member

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    If he gets a stable job now and puts off his dreams for a couple of years, you can become financially stable. It is called being responsible.

    Yes, but I did it while I was single. Your kids are older now and it won't be too long before they are gone. The dream has waited this long, what is another 10 years?

    No, there's nothing wrong with it as long as he is still able to support his family in the mean time. By the way, you migh want to look into substitute teaching. It pays about $100 per day in some districts.

    I never said that blue collar workers are not important. Things would not get done without them. The problem is supporting an existing family vs. achieving a dream. For a married man with children, supporting the family must over ride the dream.
     
  2. dianetavegia

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    What a beautiful family! I love kids! Those boys are gorgeous!

    Diane
     
  3. dianetavegia

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    Laurenda, locally, most girls are married quite young. [​IMG] I posted on a thread a few weeks ago about the numbers of teen pregnancies between 12- 17. I THINK it was 47% of the 1,000 girls in that age range.... This was quite a backwards type community until about 5-6 years ago. There are a large number of families with mental retardation from intermarriage. Not being ugly... just the truth. Several of those families attend our church and they're very sweet people. Also, when we moved here, the average educational level was some high school with no diploma.

    Diane
     
  4. Eladar

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    Was that supposed to be 47 out of a 1000 which is 4.7% or actually 47%?
     
  5. dianetavegia

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    47%!!! Isn't that AWFUL! It was in our local paper that comes out once a week. We're also pretty high in the country for divorce, spouse abuse, drug use but our test scores at the local schools are terrible.

    Diane
     
  6. dianetavegia

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    Here's an article but I can't find that other info for exact numbers.
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    About half of the quarter million females age 15 to 19 in Georgia are believed to be sexually active and therefore exposed to the risk of becoming pregnant. Almost five thousand of the 241,500 girls age 10-14 are estimated to be sexually active.

    Among sexually active teens, only one in three usually uses contraception; one in four never does.

    Diane
     
  7. Eladar

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    I've never heard of any school where you could expect half the girls in any given class to become pregnant by the age of 17.
     
  8. 3AngelsMom

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    Uh, he has a stable job. He works for a Commercial Contracting company making the highest wage a MASTER plumber can make in California. BUT, he isn't a master plumber yet. Once he is licensed he can work for people without a contractor carrying him. And he is very responsible. He works his you know what off.

    Well isn't that nice. My husband was duped by a girl in highschool into having sex with him after telling him she was on the pill. ALL THREE of the kids were conceived that way. He didn't find out that she was lying until AFTER she left and he was cleaning out the house and found her UNUSED BC pills. He was 16 when the oldest was born. He had planned to attend college and be a pharmacist. He would have done it too. He does all that he can. The only other job he has experience in is the grocery business, but in California all the stores are union and he would have to start as a bagger at minimum wage and move up. The last store he worked in, in LA, he was the Assistant Manager. So, since he worked with his dad, who is a plumber as well, from the time he was 10 until he graduated, he has AMPLE experience there, and has been able to get the job he has now. He is the highest paid Journeyman plumber at this company.
    As far as the kids are concerned, it's not like we are leaving them in day care from 6am to 6pm (which allot of parents do here). They haven't ever been in daycare since I married him. They will only be in daycare from 6am to 9am (when school starts) and then they'll be in school from 9 to 3:30. Once I get back from academy they will only be there from probably 7-9. That's not bad. The daycare that is at the school is not just babysitting, they actually work with the kids. Those people have to have a college degree too.
    Like I said, he is doing the best he can. I need to work. When he tests and decides to start working for people on contract jobs, he will be doing those ABOVE and beyond his day job, until he builds a reputation for himself. That could take YEARS. He isn't going to just quit his job.
    I think I already addressed that. You MUST have a degree to even sub here in CA.

    Um, that's a contradition of terms. Part of the dream is TO BE ABLE TO support his family. I will retire at 55. That isn't all that far away. He wants to have a business by then that has other employees and we are just doing the paperwork by then!

    God Bless,
    Kelly
     
  9. 3AngelsMom

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    Thanks.
    They are driving me crazy today. It's days like these I need reminding how 'cute' they are. [​IMG]

    I'll be glad when summer is over. They think they need to be entertained every waking hour of the day.

    They're like 'Mom, stop running, and come swim with us', and 'Mom, stop swimming so we can go home' and 'Mom stop folding clothes so we can go swimming', and 'Mom, Kolbin took my lego', and and and.... :D

    Insatiable. That's them. Gotta love em.

    God Bless,
    Kelly
     
  10. Eladar

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    I'm sorry. I was under the impression that your husband was out of work.

    That is no excuse.
    You'd think he'd learn after the first. :confused:
    I think getting pregnant once should have raised red flags that something else should be done. If not after the first, certainly after the second.
    I did not know about that requirement.
     
  11. Berean Searcher

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    Is there a problem with working mothers here? Kelly, I don't know you at all, but I support you 100%! My former husband literally threw me and my 3 children out in the street. We were homeless, living in my minivan. I worked full time, went to school full time. Thank You God that my mom was able to help at the time. I now have a fantastic job, am remarried, BUT...for 2 years I wasn't much of a "hands on" mom...and you know what? My children, who are older now, are quite proud of what I accomplished. They knew that it was NOT for me, it was for THEM...to give them things that they could not otherwise have...like a home! There are those who denigrate working moms, BUT...I believe that those who CHOOSE to do difficult things to help support their families are AWESOME!
    May God bless and keep you safe!
    B. S.
     
  12. Eladar

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    Bad things happen when people decide to go against God's commands.

    Did you take your former husband to court? You should have been able to get quite alot of support out of him.

    In any case, in your case it couldn't be helped. It appears to me that all Kelly has to do is unload a house.
     
  13. 3AngelsMom

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    Who said it is an excuse? I'm just telling you that he didn't get to go to college like YOU DID. By the way, who paid for your college?
    Ok, follow me this time. HE DID NOT KNOW THAT SHE WAS LYING ABOUT THE BIRTH CONTROL PILLS UNTIL AFTER SHE LEFT HIM. Did you get it that time? She CLAIMED that she was taking pills from the get go. Her excuse was that she was tolerant of hormones and they didn't work on her. :rolleyes: The truth is she was lying. But, that's water under the bridge.

    Well, he was 16 at the time, so you must accept that his immaturity and the fact that his parents didn't ever teach him about sex and the dangers of it, AND he wasn't raised in a Christian home, that it wasn't entirely his fault. These kids were born one after the other. They are 15 months apart.

    California has probably the stricted public school system in the Country.

    God Bless,
    Kelly
     
  14. Eladar

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    I didn't have sex when I was 16. You decided to get yourself into a relationship with a guy who did.

    Before I answer the question of who paid for my college, I'd like to know what bearing it has on this discussion.
    Ok, follow me this time. SHE GOT PREGNANT. SOMETHING WAS GOING WRONG. HE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN OTHER STEPS AFTER THE FIRST ONE.

    So his plan was to continue using hormone therapy that she already told him didn't work on her? [​IMG]
     
  15. 3AngelsMom

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    Neither did I. I decided to get into a relationship with a Man who loved the Lord, and was seeking a Woman who loved the Lord to be his wife and a Mom to his children. God led us to each other.
    Oh, I don't know, just wondering if you had help. Because one of the main reasons I want to work is so that we can help our kids when they go to college. Which won't happen if I don't work.

    They were KIDS. He had NO idea she was lying, and he was working 80 hours a week to support his rapidly growing family. She got pregnant with the second child SIX months after the first one was born, and the third six months after the second was born. He had NO idea what was going on in his own house. He worked, slept and occasionally had sex with his wife. He had NO IDEA that she was not taking her birth control.

    No, she didn't tell him that until she got pregnant with the third child. When she got pregnant the second time, he just assumed that it was because she missed a pill or something. He considered it an accident.

    Do you know what naive means?

    God Bless,
    Kelly
     
  16. Eladar

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    Yes, I understand that he was young and stupid. That does not mean he did not get himself into that mess. It appears that you are aware of the fact that you have gotten yourself into this mess too.

    As far as college goes, as I said earlier, I don't make that much money. College isn't a guaranteed ticket to easy street. I'd venture to say that your husband makes more money than I do. He made comparable money in LA and left to make more in California.


    As far as paying for your kids' education, they can always take out student loans that you can pay for once they are out of the house. As a matter of fact, the lower income kids have better a better chance at scholarships.

    In any case, being a stay at home mom was never your intention, so best of luck.
     
  17. 3AngelsMom

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    Tuor,

    First off, 'this mess' is something that has occurred recently, and it is only financial. I have a wonderful husband, who loves me very much, and is NOT stupid. I take it you do NOT know what naive means.

    Secondly, how exactly can I be a 'stay at home mom' if I don't have any kids at home?

    God Bless,
    Kelly
     
  18. Eladar

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    Until the kids leave (hopefully at 18), they will be at home. When they get out of school they could be at home.

    From what I see, when both parents work by the time they get home they are both tired. Neither of them really wants to deal with the kids, they've been working all day. Most of their energy is spent on the job, leaving very little for the family for a majority of the week.

    Yes, your kids will be under the supervision of educated people, but they are not parents. Your kids will not get the personal attention and love that you would give them.

    Believe me, I understand trying to make ends meet when there isn't really enough. I haven't gotten to the place when my bills were not current, but I have had to go to the credit card to buy food.

    One more thing, just because your kids won't be in daycare as long as other kids doesn't mean they won't be in daycare. To me this is sort of like an alcoholic who claims that he is not an alcoholic because he only drinks a 12 pack every day while all his buddies down a case.
    I consider a kid with emotional problems a mess too.
     
  19. 3AngelsMom

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    Tuor,

    To each his own. Having someone else take care of your kids for a couple of hours a day is not neglect, and sending children to school is what pays your bills! So you of all people should be in support of people sending their kids to school!

    Kristopher no longer has the emotional problems that he had. All he really needed was for someone to hug him, someone to love him and someone to spank him. [​IMG]

    He is a happy, well adjusted child now. I didn't see it as a 'mess' when I married Kris, I considered it a blessing, that someone NEEDED my love. He is still a blessing.

    My husband works 8 hours a day 5 days a week, and still has the energy to spend time with his kids, and me every day. I don't know how other people live, I'm not with them, but we eat vegan and have too much energy on most days.

    I get up every morning, feed the kids, do laundry, dishes, etc. and then head for the gym where I do 20 min. of Pilates, 40 minutes of running, 15 min of weight training and then I get in the pool and swim for 30 minutes.

    After all that, I make dinner, eat, do more dishes, bathe kids, play with kids, spend time with my husband and STILL have a hard time going to sleep most nights!

    Working for 8 hours a day will be a piece of cake for me.

    I am the energizer bunny.

    God Bless,
    Kelly
     
  20. trying2understand

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    Kelly, just a few thoughts.

    Have you tried renting out the house that you haven't been able to sell? Sometimes renters become buyers.

    Has your husband considered working an hour more each day and a couple of hours on Saturday? Those few hours could make a big difference in his take home pay.

    Owing a business doesn't necessarily mean more money. I have several clients, including a couple of plumbing companies, that pay their employees more that the owners can pay themselves.

    Is your husband in a union job? If so, why no insurance? In my experience it is unusual for a trades type company, union or not, to not offer at least some level of medical insurance.

    I reserve judgement on your choices, but I will admit that they are not what I would want for myself - especially the vegan diet! [​IMG]
     
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