The Gift of Prophecy

Praying for healing and someone getting healed is not the gift of healing. It is praying for healing and God healing them. The gift of healing was administered at will and the person healed on the spot. If the gift of healing was still around then I find it strange that Paul did not point Timothy to a healer instead of telling him to drink wine for his stomach problems. Also if you think you know of anyone who has this gift let me know as I am sure I can drum up some business for them. The gift is simply not around today. God does heal, but no one has the gift to heal today.

 

Because there is more than one source of miracles (2 Thes. 2:9; Mt. 24:24) and because there is more than one spiritual source (1 Jn. 4:1,6). Because Satan and his servants are masqueraded as "ministers of righteousness" (2 Cor. 11:3, 5-11). Because we are commanded to prove all things and to test the spirits.

 

Edited as it was in incorrect statement.

 

Better read Matthew 24:24-24; 2 Thesalonians 2:9 because Satan has REAL supernatural power and can do REAL supernatural miracles signs and wonders that have a REAL appearance like apostolic miracles signs and wonders.

The ONLY differences are (1) the source; (2) the design.

The design for apostolic miracles is to CONFIRM the truth being preached by those who are manifested by such signs (Heb. 2:3-4)

The design of demonic miracles is found in the word "lying" in 2 Thessalonians 2:9 by which they CONFIRM error - see 1 Jn. 4:6 as the difference between the two sources of power are "the spirit of TRUTH and the spirit of ERROR" - I Jn. 4:6

 

I agree. I wrote before I thought. Thank you for the correction.

 

No problem, I do the same thing more times than I want to my own regret. Your welcome.

 

So you are saying that Satan restored this womans hearing, the same hearing he took away from her at birth? Interesting. I better call her and tell her she needs to ask God to make her deaf, in Jesus' name lol.

 

If I may let me ask you something. Are you saying that some woman who you personally knew while she was deaf and who was born totally deaf suddenly received her full hearing in front of you because of prayer? Is this correct?

 

Yes, that's what happened. If you don't believe it I understand. It would be hard to convince you on a message board. You had to be there. Back to the OP, I believe the gifts are still in operation, you do not. There is where we are.

 

If you say it happened the way you describe I have no reason to question it so I believe you. However that is not the gift of healing. That is simply prayer and God answering the prayer. If you want to know what the gift of healing is like look into Acts when peter healed people. That is the gift. Praying for someone and God healing is answered prayer not the gift of healing.
Acts 3:3-9
Acts 9:33-35
Those passages are what it is to have the gift of healing. The person can heal at will who they decide to heal and you will notice there is no failures.
It is the same with all the gifts. The use of them is controled by the one having the gift. They are gifts that are used at will. Just like the gift of tongues. The person decides when to use the gift.

 

Remember those in Matthew 7:21-23 did their miraculous good works in Jesus name and went to hell. Those in 2 Corintians 11 operated by a "spirit" and in Jesus name but go to hell.

I am sure many witnessed their miracles. However, the supernatural miracle in the name of Jesus does not mean the Holy Spirit was the source.

The Bible provides at least seven tests to try what spirit was the source - 1 Jn. 4:1

1. Test #1 - "lying"wonders - false doctrine confirmed by miracles in Jesus name

2. Test #2 - unfulfilled prophecy - in Jesus name -

3. Test #3 - Lying visions in Jesus name

4. Test 4 - plagerizing the words of others in Jesus name

5. Test #5 - Bad fruit in Jesus name

6. Test #6 - Rejection of Pauline Teaching on spiritual gifts in Jesus name

7. Test #7 - Correct view of Christ's Person


On the other hand, God still answers prayer and heals His people. However, a person who goes from church to church claiming to be a miracle healer is suspect for many reasons.

 

Embellish on these two points please!

Thank you

 

1 Cor. 14:36 ¶ What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

1 Jn. 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 Jn 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10 ¶ If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

 

I Have the Gift...

....and prayerfully, yet cautiously move in it when I am sure the Holy spirit is speaking and moving, and NOT me!

Years ago, three days after my rifle failed to discharge a fatal round into my mouth in an attempt to end my life, my wife and I attended a church in Santa Ana that had been a place I had heard some very good things about. On top of that, this church was known for "not" discriminating against believers who were divorced and remarried.

As I've shared before, my first wife simply didn't want to be married any longer, and left me for another man. We were victims of marrying young..

My second wife became physically abusive (after a year of marriage), which was something I had should've seen, but was so hungry for love and acceptance after my first failed marriage, that I jumped from the "frying pan, into the fire!" and after several incidents where law enforcement was called to calm her down (I was too embarrassed to have her arrested), and immediately after she threatened to kill me, we divorced.

You add into my failed marriages, an addiction to porn and picking up hookers (no emotional commitments with them), you can see why I had sunk low enough into the pit of darkness, sin and self pity, that I believed that Jesus was NOT big enough to pull me back out of the pit and put my feet on the path to His Kingdom (a place I lost sight of with my marriage failures), and it was a demonic influenced, emotional/mental recipe for "suicide!"

The evening we attended that church. I was as far down as possible (spiritually), and this was a last gasp effort to find a reason to go on!

There was an evangelist at the service, who moved in prophecy, and one thing led to another (borrowing a word from John Candy in "Stripes"), and we were one of six couples picked out of a church with nearly 2,000 people in attendance, to "receive a word." Of course, I didn't believe, and I was only going up to make a spectacle of the guy when "his words" were so far off in the woods that I could proclaim to the group gathered that night, that this guy was nothing more than a Peter Popoff puppet, and leave!

Well, his words were not wrong, in fact he recited, word for word, two different lines from the suicide letter I left for my wife. Now, keep this in mind! The letter was three pages long, and my burned it without ever reading it the night before we went to that church.

Hearing these sentences, word for word, brought me to tears, and he went on to share four things that have since come to pass in my restored ministry, marriage and finances.

In other words, he was right on!!!

This led me to begin to sense things, when praying with people, and when I shared these words, those people were as amazed as me, and the changes I shared, have come to pass in the lives of those I prayed over.

So, if prophecy has had its time and place, I'd have to disagree. However, there will always be those who are fakes, using the tools of the true gift to rip off believers and nonbelievers alike!

BTW - prophecy has a lot to do with discernment, I have always believed the two go hand in hand!

I would never begin to suggest that any of you need this gift to be a believer, but I would hope, on the other side, that you would not be too judgmental on those who have the gift. It just could be alive and available in today's world, and we'll only know for sure when we stand before God and hear what HE has to say!

 

God was certainly merciful to you. However, I don't believe that your personal experience has anything to do with the Biblical gift of prophecy and/or the office of a prophet. Neither do I believe you are a prophet.

There are no prophets today any more than there are apostles today as they both are placed together in the New Testament and both are regarded by scriptures as foundational (Eph. 2:20; 4:10; 1 Cor. 12:28).

The Biblical qualifications for true apostles and prophets makes it impossible for such to exist today.


The only apostles and prophets today are false apostles and prophets and because of the Bibical qualifications for both.

 

Believe that both the offices of Apostle/prophets closed for today, as they were used by God to give revelations before Canon was closed, as the foundations built upon the cornerstone Rock of Kesus... BUT

Believe in a secondary sense still can function, in sense someone has "apostolic" authority in gifted to set up evagelizing regions/local churches setting up leadersship/organizing that, while someone in prophetc gifting might be able to expound with deep insights how to apply prophetic word for today, get principles revealed to them by the HS...

 

Think it falls under the proper functioning of the Gifts in the local church body...

That Everything must be done in order, per biblical guidelines, and that the HS will not violating ANY scriptural guidelines to proper usuage...

Also, the person operating under the HS will ALWAYS ackowledge the right/biblical jesus, as the HS will honor jesus, while false prophets/apotsles/teacher ackowledge a false jesus!

 

The secondary sense of "apostle" in the sense of a congregationally appointed and sent missionary to preach the gospel, baptize and constitute congregations is indeed scriptural (Acts 14) and continuing.

The idea of "prophet" in the sense of simply proclaiming the word of God is indeed scriptural and continuing.

 

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That.....

....It is certainly your right to believe. I do not challenge your belief, though, I feel sorry for those who do not believe these offices have continued in some manner or form!

Have a great Thanksgiving my brother...:thumbsup: