The Gipper shoulda stuck to football...

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Yes, they WERE against pagan religions or anything that clashed with their Old Covenant religion, which by then was mixed with their own rules. That's why they went ballistic when Jesus began introducing His Gospel and allowed men to call Him Son of God. The Jews had been given an exemption from the state religion of Rome, but they couldn't prevent the Romans among them from worshipping as they wished. However, they DID claim authority over all Jews in religious matters.

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And this is supposed to prove that this is why Herod waited until AFTER EASTER (Passover to you) to put Peter to death? How exactly, by WAITING to put Peter to death until after Passover(as you falsely believe it to be) was PLEASING to the Jews? It wasn't any different when Jesus was crucified? And Jesus was crucified as the Lord's Passover Sacrifice, which was the DAY BEFORE the first day of the feast of unleavened bread. Hence, Acts 12, CLEARLY INDICATES, that: (Then were the days of unleavened bread.). THEN WERE THE DAYS. This is a clue robycop, of the timing of this, and that this was NOT PASSOVER. It also tells us that Herod was the one who wanted to wait, and the reason wasn't to please the Jews until AFTER THEIR FEAST, because it would have MUCH RATHER PLEASED THE JEWS - (as even the scriptures tell us this), to do it right away. The fact that Luke tells us that Herod waited until AFTER EASTER, informs us that this was because of HIS OWN RELIGIOUS HOLIDAY, as the scripture also tells us about the SOLDIERS. They most likely had that time off for their RELIGIOUS FESTIVITIES of what today is called Easter.

Why was it that Herod waited? Did it please the Jews to have Peter killed immediately, or to wait?
Really, what do you think? If Herod was so concerned about pleasing the Jews, why then did he wait? What was more important to him, than pleasing the jews that he put off killing him? It wasn't because the Jews were celebrating unleavened bread, because that feast is irrelevant to Rome, Rome would have been the one doing the killing, not the Jews - same scenario as the crucifiction. So what was it?

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

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Again, use common sense. Easter, however it's observed, is only ONE DAY LONG, and it would NOT have been necessary for Herod
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What makes you so sure that Herod was not pagan? What makes you so sure, that the Jews did not participate in such pagan religious ceremonies? The Old testament is FILLED with examples of this, and one of those PAGAN festivals (Easter), that you claim didn't exist, was celebrated by the Jewish people~! This is why it is properly called Easter in Acts 12. Do you know what is present at all Jewish Passover meals, even unto this day? An egg. It doesn't belong there, and comes from this pagan holiday, otherwise known as Easter. And the Jews, most definately took part in these things and at this time.

Ezekiel 8

4. And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel was there, according to the vision that I saw in the plain.
5. Then said he unto me, Son of man, lift up thine eyes now the way toward the north. So I lifted up mine eyes the way toward the north, and behold northward at the gate of the altar this image of jealousy in the entry.
6. He said furthermore unto me, Son of man, seest thou what they do? even the great abominations that the house of Israel committeth here, that I should go far off from my sanctuary? but turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations.
7. And he brought me to the door of the court; and when I looked, behold a hole in the wall.
8. Then said he unto me, Son of man, dig now in the wall: and when I had digged in the wall, behold a door.
9. And he said unto me, Go in, and behold the wicked abominations that they do here.
10. So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, pourtrayed upon the wall round about.
11. And there stood before them seventy men of the ancients of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, with every man his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up.
12. Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, The Lord seeth us not; the Lord hath forsaken the earth.
13. He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do.
14. Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the Lord's house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.
15. Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.
16. And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
17. Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.
18. Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them.

Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

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I just showed you from the KJV that the paschal meal marked the FIRST day of unleavened bread! This time, I'll paste slowly so you won't miss it:
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Exodus 12

1. And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt saying,
2. This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.
3. Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:
4. And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.
5. Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
6. And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
7. And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.
8. And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.
9. Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.
10. And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.
11. And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the Lord's passover.
12. For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the Lord.
13. And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.
14. And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the Lord throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.
15. Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.
16. And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.
17. And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever.


Leviticus 23

1. And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
2. Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the Lord, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
3. Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.
4. These are the feasts of the Lord, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
5. In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord's passover.
6. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
7. In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
8. But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

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Michelle, you've done a very poor job supporting the good doctor. I don't think you have any ground to stand on.

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My intention and reasons for responding to you is not to support the "doctor", or any man for that matter, but to reason with you and supply the truth.

Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

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And it really doesn't matter WHEN it started. KJV or KJB is the acronyms for its name today. Every publisher places "King James Version, King James Bible, KJV, or KJB somewhere on its cover or title page...with the exception of AV 1611 replicas. This is the distinct title of this particular Bible version, to distinguish it from other versions, same as are NIV, etc. for other versions.
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I agree - hey we finally agree on something!


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

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Please show us this authorization, and please prove to us this is the ONLY English BV God's authorized. Otherwise, like Slambo, you're not even tilting at windmills, but at those little pinwheels in someone's yard.
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The evidence is what God has used and given/provided in the churches throughout history and the conviction upon your heart that it is.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

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Then if you really understand the Scriptures, you should've seen that Luke used the same word, pascha, that he'd used six times earlier in his gospel, in each case, clearly meaning PASSOVER.
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And as I have been trying to (and many others are trying to) reason with and show you that EASTER is CORRECT, and that this is HOW GOD INTENDED IT to be rendered. If God had not intended this, and it was in ERROR, as you so claim, God would have seen to it that it was corrected. To which HE did not. He is not correcting errors that were made 400 years ago today. He corrected the errors from the beginning of the English language until it was done. It is now done and provided for ALL English people, and no one will have an excuse come either the judgement seat of Christ, or the Great White Throne Judgement.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Her credibility is certainly NOT almost down the drain. Why would you say something like that?

 

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So do WE. Difference is, YOU & s'm others try to LIMIT GOD in how He may choose to provide His word.

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Quite the contrary! Many here are the one's guilty of trying to "LIMIT GOD". You are the one's who say God CAN'T AND DIDN'T provide for us (faithful English speaking people)HIS WORDS PERFECTLY as God promised he would in Psalm 12, and alluded to in the rest of the cannon of scriptures. You also DENY the EVIDENCE that HE HAS provided this and also DENIED the scriptural REASONS/PROOF/EVIDENCE that He hasn't provided the mv's. God does not lie, nor can he lie, and therefore HIS words will not have lies in them.

Numbers 23

18. And he took up his parable, and said, Rise up, Balak, and hear; hearken unto me, thou son of Zippor:
19. God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
20. Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it.

1 Samuel 15

29. And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.

Psalms 89

34. My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.

Romans 1

25. Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Romans 9

1. I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,

Titus 1

1. Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
2. In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
3. But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;

Hebrew 6

13. For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,
14. Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.
15. And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.
16. For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.
17. Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:
18. That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
19. Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;
20. Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

1 John 1

5. This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

1 John 2

21. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

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27. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
28. And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
29. If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

John 14

6. Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Michelle: "You are the one's who say God CAN'T AND DIDN'T
provide for us (faithful English speaking people)
HIS WORDS PERFECTLY as God promised he would in Psalm 12,
and alluded to in the rest of the cannon of scriptures."

God can and did provide for us faithful
English speaking people of the 21st century
HIS WORDS PERFECTLY in 21st Century English
in the Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB).

BTW, Psalm 12 does NOT show a promise of
God to provide for the faithful English
Speaking people of any generation.

Psalm 12:7 (HCSB):
You, Lord, will guard us; [4]
You will protect us[5] from this generation forever.

[4] Some Hb mss, LXX, Jer; other Hb mss read them
[5] Some Hb mss, LXX; other Hb mss read him

As can be seen, Psalm 12:7 speaks in conflicting
Old Testament sources of perserving PEOPLE not
words.

But I love to praise Jesus in 17th Century talk,
it makes me seem lots more pious than others :
Praise Iesus, Sonne of God

 

Michelle, Michelle, Michelle. Think, my dear, before you start ranting.

How does Roby limit God? No one has said that God couldn't provide us with a perfect translation. We just said He DIDN'T. Big difference.

Oh, and Psalm 12:7 is not talking about the words of God. Else, He would be keeping His words from this generation, not giving them perfectly.

Psa 12:7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

Show us some evidence, Michelle. Make us believers.

And while you are at it, show us the reasons/proof/evidence about how God didn't provide the versions of today. I'd really like to see that.

Yeah, we know that God does not lie. But the twisted proof-texts that you keep posting do.

By the way, I do love Scripture, but what is the big idea with all the pasting of it? It does not help your arguement, and we just have to scroll further to get to anything that actually makes sense.

In Christ,
Trotter

 

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A literal rendering is "These were the days of no leavining". Just ask any Greek user, here or in person. The passage says Peter was busted DURING the days of unleavened bread. The passage could just as easily(and correctly) read, "The days of unleavened bread were then."
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I already gave you the LITERAL rendering, and as God provided it accurately in our language from the greek. It reads: (THEN were the days of unleavened bread). Another question you might want to ponder is, if this was supposed to be passover(as you claim), what was the need for the parenthis indicating: (then were the days of unleavened bread)? That is your other problem that you must solve/figure out/reason. Because the scriptures I gave you tell you when the Lord's passover is, and that it is the day before the days of unleavened bread.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

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But he knew those Jews wouldn't do anything during their holy week. Apparently Herod believed Peter was preparing to leave the area, so he arrested him before he could leave, even though the Jews wouldn't have messed with him during Passover week.

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What do you base this on? Did not the Jews crucify Jesus during the Passover? Of course they did, because he was the Passover! So why would it be different for them now? How do you know what Herod thought or believed about Peter? I thought you had just said and the scripture said that Herod arrested Peter to please the Jews? Besides, if you read further, you will see that it was Herod who desired Peter killed, and you will notice that Herod practiced his own religion and the people encouraged him.


Acts 12

21. And upon a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat upon his throne, and made an oration unto them.
22. And the people gave a shout, saying, it is the voice of a god, and not of a man.
23. And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.

 

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Even though you claim you're not KJVO, you're simply eaten up with the KJVO MYTH. You say you're NOT KJVO, but you won't name any other specific version to use along with the KJV.
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I don't NEED to use any other version with the words of God, because God already provide them 100%. They are not lacking, for they are the words to which hold the way, the truth, and the life for the believer. They are the words that testify of our Saviour Jesus Christ, and they are the words to which give us eternal life and a personal relationship with our Lord. They are God's perfect words (100% truth), provided for you. Yet, you desire for me to believe God did not keep his promise, nor even made this promise, and would keep me, and other faithful believers always in doubt as to what HE has said, making my own self the judge, rather than listening to God. Sorry. You are NEVER going to convince me of this lie.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle