The Gipper shoulda stuck to football...

Askjo and you are incorrect to make the translation the measuring standard. Use the very same "standard" as the AV translators: The Originals (and the former translations diligently compared and revised).

 

The AV1611 differs from the KJV1769 many times (I have no idea how many), however they do indeed differ. So, using Askjo's logic, which one is NOT the Word of God? and....how do you know which is and which ain't?

 

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he meant what we call Passover in English.
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Are you aware of how the English word Passover came into existence?


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

I disagree.

That is your unproven agruement.

Not 100%!

 

You made unbelievable invention against the KJV.

 

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The scourging and beatings weren't meant to kill Him, while the crucifixion WAS, so I see what you're getting at. However, your blanket statement that He didn't shed blood till He was crucufied is misleading.
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Colossians 1

20. And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.


Hebrews 9

11. But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12. Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13. For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14. How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15. And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16. For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
18. Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
19. For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20. Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
21. Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
22. And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Hebrews 11

28. Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.

1 Peter

8. Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19. But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

Matt.10

38. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Matt.16

24. Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Matt.27
35. And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.

John 19

24. They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my raiment among them, and for my vesture they did cast lots. These things therefore the soldiers did.

Hebrews 1

12. And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

Revelation 19

13. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Psalm 22

16. For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
17. I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
18. They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

Zechariah 12

10. And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

John 19

31. The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
32. Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him.
33. But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:
34. But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
35. And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.
36. For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
37. And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.

Revelation 1

7. Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
8. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

You made unbelievable invention against the KJV. </font>[/QUOTE]He only mocked your blasphemy
against the New King James Version (nKJV)
Bible. You started the Bible dising.

But I love to praise Jesus in 17th Century talk:
Praise Iesus, the Christ

 

You please men more than please God.

 

The combing of two words, "pass" and "over" hence, "Passover"

 

You please men more than please God. </font>[/QUOTE]Askjo, you outta be ashamed of yourself for saying this about a brother who loves God's Word.

 

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The AV1611 differs from the KJV1769 many times (I have no idea how many), however they do indeed differ. So, using Askjo's logic, which one is NOT the Word of God? and....how do you know which is and which ain't?
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The one God made EVIDENT it is.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Well, brothers & sisters in Christ love God's Word: the accuracy AND the inaccuracy. I wonder why MOST of them love the inaccurate Word of God.

 

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The combing of two words, "pass" and "over" hence, "Passover"
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HOW it came into existance. Do you know?


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

The Bible For Today website has #1442. You need to look for this number. Order it for yourself.

 

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Besides, if you read further, you will see that it was Herod who desired Peter killed,

WRONG. If herod had desired to have killed Peter, he would've done so as he'd done to James. If that had been his desire, what was to stop Herod? He knew killing James had pleased the Jews, & if he'd killed Peter outright, it certainly wouldn't have DISpleased those Jews!

One factor overlooked here is GOD'S WILL AND POWER. It was GOD who preserved Peter and allowed James to come to Him. He had more work for Peter to do.


and you will notice that Herod practiced his own religion and the people encouraged him.

Scripture, please?
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Acts 12

1. Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church.
2. And he killed James the brother of John with the sword.
3. And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.)
4. And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
5. Peter therefore was kept in prison: but prayer was made without ceasing of the church unto God for him.
6. And when Herod would have brought him forth, the same night Peter was sleeping between two soldiers, bound with two chains: and the keepers before the door kept the prison.

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18. Now as soon as it was day, there was no small stir among the soldiers, what was become of Peter.
19. And when Herod had sought for him, and found him not, he examined the keepers, and commanded that they should be put to death. And he went down from Judaea to Caesarea, and there abode.
20. And Herod was highly displeased with them of Tyre and Sidon: but they came with one accord to him, and, having made Blastus the king's chamberlain their friend, desired peace; because their country was nourished by the king's country.
21. And upon a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat upon his throne, and made an oration unto them.
22. And the people gave a shout, saying, it is the voice of a god, and not of a man.
23. And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.
24. But the word of God grew and multiplied.
25. And Barnabas and Saul returned from Jerusalem, when they had fulfilled their ministry, and took with them John, whose surname was Mark.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Michelle,

I have read your posts. But what you claim does not match what you post.

From what I have read, you jump between the two that I posted. One states that the King James is inspired and therefore inerrant, and that any deviation from that is not the truth and therefore corrupt. The other states that the KJV is new revelation, and that it supercedes the very manuscripts that it was translated from. I see you as somewhere between the two.

The problem with this lies in the fact that you are taking the work of men, and elevating it above what it is. You are making it into an idol. If you do not believe me, go back and read your posts for the last week or so.

The King James is not perfect, nor is it the measure by which other translations should be judged. Compared, yes, but not judged.

In CHrist,
Trotter

 

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From what I have read, you jump between the two that I posted. One states that the King James is inspired and therefore inerrant, and that any deviation from that is not the truth and therefore corrupt. The other states that the KJV is new revelation, and that it supercedes the very manuscripts that it was translated from. I see you as somewhere between the two.

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I have said neither inspiration, nor have I said advanced revelation. Neither have I said it supercedes the manuscripts that it was translated from.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Exactly.

You claim none of the above, but operate like you do.

How about the truth?

In Christ,
Trotter