The "Gospel" for Today

I never ever disputed your point!!!! I believe that Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of "the lamb" of God Old Testament typology. I believe the cross fulfilled it.

However, that was never my point for quoting this text and YOU KNOW IT! I quoted this text to prove that the Old Testament sacrificial type "the lamb" of God was applied to Jesus Christ! -PERIOD! I quoted it to show that the gospel preaching in the Old Testament ANTICIPATED and LOOKED FORWARD to Christ coming and fulfilling the sacrificial "LAMB" that had been sacrificed since the garden of Eden. The gospel had been preached since Eden continued to be preached by "ALL THE PROPHETS" (Acts 10:43) until the final prophet came and no longer said Christ SHALL come but rather "the lamb of God" IS PRESENTLY COME - Get it?

Hence, Jesus did not bring the gospel with him but merely fulfilled the gospel which had been preached since Genesis and is clearly spelled out in types since Genesis by the sacrifice of a "lamb" and is clearly spelled out in reference to a predicted Messiah in Isaiah 53!!! Get it??????

 

Because your "point" was NEVER my point. Because your "point" was never challenged by me. Because your "point" was never my purpose for quoting John 1:29! Do you even read my posts in full????????

My point for quoting John 1:29 was to point out the TYPE which is derived from Genesis from whence the sacrificial TYPE began! I NEVER denied the present tense application to Christ? You built that straw man argument out of your own imagination.

 

It appears you don't read my posts in full OR you simply want to make up silly arguments????? Did you not read my quotation of Isaiah 53 and the repeated bold underlined vicarious words he PREACHED (Isa. 53:1 "our report" = Rom. 10:14-16)??????????????

How can you deny the Old testament prophets PREACHED (Acts 10:43; Heb. 4:2) a vicarious gospel???????????????????????????

The vicarious gospel was preached in TYPE and preached in word by the "all the prophets" before Jesus Christ came and that is why it is "according to the scriptures"

Neither the instrument of death (the cross) or the "burial" or "resurrection" were essential to the pre-Christ vicarious gospel message. These things were the consequence of PROGRESSIVE REVELATION. NOW they are essential becuase NOW they are revealed truths that provide EXPLANATION as to "HOW" it was accomplished. Hence, to deny these things NOW repudiates the very hope of the gospel.

I think discussing anything with you is hopeless as you simply pick and choose what I say and then what you pick and choose you present it in direct contradiction to what I said IF you would only read and comprehend the WHOLE evidence presented.

 

Boy are you one confused dude!!!! I never challenged your argument about tense in regard to John 1:29. I challenged your argument about tense in regard to your quotation of Ironside! So get them straight in your head!

I never quoted John 1:29 to make any point about the tense used in that verse but about the TYPE used in that verse to show that the TYPE originated BEFORE Christ came to fulfil it.

You are one confused individual! And yes the following verse destroy your argument about Tense in regard to Ironsides position:

Hebrew 4:2 destroys your tense argument

Acts 10:43 destroys your tense argument

1 Cor. 15:4-5 destroys your tense argument

Isaiah 53 as quoted and applied by Paul in Romans 10:14-16 destroys your tense argument

Acts 8:30-35 destroys your tense argument

 

They were only searching to find out about the "TIME"- period! They understood the message and preached it but did not know WHEN the Christ would come. You have to be willfully blind to ignore Isaiah 53 spells out the vicarious atonement in words a wayfaring fool could not miss.

The cross, death and resurrection were part of PROGRESSIVE REVELATION. However, they believed in the Christ of the pre-cross gospel as preached by Christ in John 3:16 and by John the Baptist in John 3:36 as "the lamb of God" (Jn. 1:29). John baptized only those who made that confession with repentance of sin (Acts 19:4). Hence, all the apostles made such a confession of sin and faith in the coming Messiah or John would not baptize them as his was a "baptism of repentance."

They understood they were sinners and Christ was the Savior (Jn. 6:68-69).

 

Sure just leave out the very part of the verse that contradicts your conclusion "what................"

Either you cannot read very well or you are a deceiver! I will fill in what you purposely omitted from the text - "Search WHAT, or WHAT MANNER OF TIME" this grace (gospel) should come when they testified "BEFOREHAND."

When did they prophesy it should come unto you? ANSWER: "beforehand"

What were they searching for? ANSWER: "MANNER OF TIME.....and the glory that should follow"

- No! God's Word through Isaiah said it clearly and repeatedly!

Try something new for a change! Read the rest of my posts. If you will finish reading it you will see I did answer your question and did give an explanation.

 

The Scripture says that he understood that Christ was the Son of God.
I imagine that he didn't know too much more than what is presented in 1Cor.15:1-4. That is the basic gospel "by the which you are saved," and it does not present the vicarious atonement of Christ.

"And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God" (Acts 8:36-37).

I tell them the gospel. Briefly, that Jesus came to save sinners (like you). That the wages of sin is death. That is the penalty of sin. Eternal separation from God because of my sin. But Christ came and paid the penalty for that sin. On that basis, and because he rose from the dead, one can be saved.
That is brief, very brief.

 

Good! Because I am tired of being consistently accused of not answering your questions when in fact the answers are provided and you simply do not continue reading my post!

Good! Because I am tired of the scriptures I give being consistently IGNORED when they directly refute your whole position as does Isaiah 53 - Good!

 

Apart from being a dispensationalist, as Christians we must proclaim his death and resurrection until he comes again. Leaving out Calvary is a large oversight. So, in this sense yes you are not preaching the full Gospel of Christ unltess you preach about Jesus death on a cross. I don't know what he means by vicarious.

 

You purposely omitted the very words that would contradict your use of the text. Look at your post! If that was not an intentional omission than how did it occur?

 

I answered this in the very post you accused of providing no answer. I will simply repost it here:

"The cross, death and resurrection were part of PROGRESSIVE REVELATION. However, they believed in the Christ of the pre-cross gospel as preached by Christ in John 3:16 and by John the Baptist in John 3:36 as "the lamb of God" (Jn. 1:29). John baptized only those who made that confession with repentance of sin (Acts 19:4). Hence, all the apostles made such a confession of sin and faith in the coming Messiah or John would not baptize them as his was a "baptism of repentance."

They understood they were sinners and Christ was the Savior (Jn. 6:68-69)."

Pleeeeese read what I said above carefully and thoughtfully before responding to it.

Look at the gospel preached by John the Baptist in John 3:36. This is the same gospel that Peter, James and John embraced by faith from the preaching of John before entering into the "baptism of REPENTENCE"! This is the same gospel preached in John 3:16 by Christ that was foreshadowed in types (Jn. 3:14).

The pre-cross gospel is the same gospel preached by Isaiah in Isaiah 53:1. Paul identifies the gospel preached by Isaiah in chapter 53 as the gospel that God sends out preachers to preach (Rom. 10:14-16).

This is the same gospel preached to the Enuch by Philip in Acts 8:30-35.

Salvation before clear revelation of the cross and burial and resurrection were accomplished in time and space was not dependent upon understanding those aspects. Now it is, because they are REVEALED and spelled out.

Salvation has to do with understanding you are a sinner and Christ is the savior and repentance of sin and faith in Him as Savior obtains eternal life. Before the revelation of the cross there was no necessity to include the cross as part of the gospel. However, after the full revelation of the cross it is part of the revealed gospel.

The gospel has been preached in its essence since the garden but that essence has been expanded with progressive revelation all the way up to its actual fulfillment by Christ on the cross and resurrection. Salvation was only dependent upon receiving the current revelation at any given time. The essence is spelled out in Genesis 3:15 in believing the promise of a coming "seed" that would defeat what Satan did in the garden of Eden.