The Gospel from the Names given in Genesis 5

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  1. beameup

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    I have heard this idea asserted before, but not being a Hebrew scholar I can't comment very intelligently on it. Several questions arise from it.

    For one thing, some people generally assume that "Hebrew" was the language that everyone spoke prior to the dispersion at Babel. I don't know if we can assume that. It's possible, but I don't think we are told.

    If it was not the language of the mono-linguisitc antedeluvian world, then we have to ask ourselves if those were their actual names, or their names transposed into Hebrew. If the latter, then the assigning of the names could actually have been done as late as Moses.

    However, it is clear to me that the names were included there no later than the time of Moses and thus inspired by God one way or another.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is, I wonder whether the people in the line of names actually knew what they were doing with the prophecy, or whether they did it unwittingly by the guidance of God.
     
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    And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. Luke 24:27

    Man>Appointed>Mortal>Sorrow>>The Blessed God>Shall come down>Teaching>>His death shall bring>The despairing>Comfort
     
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    This is a example of trying to find a code in the bible.

    The theory just doesn't pass the smell text.
    Michael Heiser's website gave an excellent review of this bogus theory.
    Allegorical Interpretation of the Names in Genesis 5 [LINK]

    Rob
     
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    So your response is from a blog and the poster is "MSH"?
    That sounds "fishy". I understand that unbelieving Jews
    attempt to debunk any possibility of a suffering Messiah.

    And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. Luke 24:27
     
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    Let's take a look at another non jewish source:

    Root Fallacy
    [Determining the meaning of a word solely or primarily on etymology, it
    may have a connection, but does not have to have one.] “Nice” comes from the latin “nescius” which means ignorant. (so “nice” must be ignorant, right?). The Hebrew words for “bread” and “war” share the same root, but there is no real connection. Etymology can be helpful in working with unknown words in context or add insight to what may be a new usage.

    D.A. Carson

    http://www.holynativity.org/pdf/presentations/evans/Dn-Wesley-Evans-Exegetical-Fallacies.pdf
     
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    :thumbsup:Agreed. Why can't we actually focus on what the Bible really says instead of this extra-biblical nonsense?

    You can't seriously think that verse in Luke supports this Genesis 5 non-sense do you?
     
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    As stated before, I am not a Hebrew scholar. There is no reason I can see why there "could not" be code in the Bible. Whether there is or not, I can not say. So instead of dismissing it out of hand, why not actually consider the ten names one by one in the Hebrew, and see whether it actually means that or not? If not, then end of story.

    You're right that people try to come up with little codes and secret meanings way too much. But if there are any, it would be good to know.

    Many of these "secrets" would not be secrets if we all knew Hebrew.

    Problem with Hebrew is, nobody speaks it today, especially not in the form it was originally spoken in, and the meanings of words can vary tremendously. Having said that, could there not be intentional double-meanings in the Bible?

    But it is best not to get too caught up in such things.
     
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    Well looking at this claim Deacon made a very good case why not.
     

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