The Great Whore of Babylon

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  1. Jacob Dahlen

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    The Roman Catholic Church is the Great Whore of Babylon and the Protestant Churches are here children, for just as a whore gives birth to here children, so did the Roman Catholic Church give birth to the Protestant Churches.
     
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    Care to back up such a baseless claim? Or are you going to do your normal post and run?
     
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    The Protestant Reformation was a movement which emerged in the 16th century as a series of attempts to reform the Roman Catholic Church in Western Europe. The main front of the reformation was started by Martin Luther and his 95 Theses proceeded to promulgate. In late October of 1517 he posted these Theses to the local bulletin board - the Church door - and in November he mailed them to various religious authorities of the day. The reformation ended in division and the establishment of new institutions: most importantly Lutheranism, the Reformed churches, and the Anabaptists. It also led to the Counter-Reformation within the Roman Catholic Church when Rome struck back against the fundamental ideas of the Reformers.
     
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    Jacob,
    You're really starting to give the Orthodox a bad name, brother. Plus that whole "the RCC is the Whore of Babylon" rant sounds like something I used to believe when I was a committed fundigelical Southern Baptist...and sounds identical to the diatribe repeated endlessly on the Baptistboard alreay...by other fundigelical Prots.
    DT
     
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    The East-West Schism, known also as the Great Schism (though this latter term sometimes refers to the later Western Schism), was the event that divided Chalcedonian Christianity into Western Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy. Though normally dated to 1054, when Pope Leo IX and Patriarch Michael I excommunicated each other, the East-West Schism was actually the result of an extended period of estrangement between the two Churches. The primary causes of the Schism were disputes over papal authority—the Pope claimed he held authority over the four Eastern patriarchs, while the four eastern patriarchs claimed that the primacy of the Patriarch of Rome was only honorary, and thus he had authority only over Western Christians—and over the insertion of the filioque clause into the Nicene Creed. There were other, less significant catalysts for the Schism, including variance over liturgical practices and conflicting claims of jurisdiction.
     
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    Thanks for the history lesson (which is accurate as far as it goes), but can you back up your claim that the RCC is the "Great Whore" other than by merely asserting the historical fact of the Schism?
     
  7. Jacob Dahlen

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    I'm trying to put a stop to this whore of babylon thing if you can't tell....
     
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    The likelihood that the Catholic Church is the "Whore of Babylon" is slight.

    People tend to read into prophetic writings what they want to read into them: their desires, prejudices, fears, petty hatreds...

    It's all pretty tiresome.
     
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    I think what Jacob is doing is showing the hypocrisy of those posters on this board who insist on calling the RCC a whore, harlot, witch, or whatever else they call it. Most of their churches are children or stepchildren of that great *whore*. Am I right Jacob? BTW try and be a little more clear ok just so we know. :smile:
     
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    As Armstrong used to say "surely the Protstant world isn't deceived. oh, but it is! Notice [Rev.17]v. 5, she is a mother church, and her daughters are also church's that came out of her in protest, but continue in the same practices and...politics...that made a harlot out of the mother". [​IMG]
     
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    you had me fooled. Good luck with that, I am not sure some people have a vocab. big enough to go past using words like whore.
     
  12. Jacob Dahlen

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    SOURCE: THE ORTHODOX STUDY BIBLE(NKJV)
    Rev 17:5-6
    And on her forehead a name was written: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement.

    17:5 Roman law states harlots must wear headbands exhibiting their name. This great harlet bears the mysterious name BABYLON...MOTHER OF HARLOTS. For the late-first-century christians, Babylon was incarnate in Rome(see 1 Pet 5:13), but it is primaly a spiritual reality, a "mystery," transending concrete manifestions. For Babylon has always stood for rebellion againt God(See Gen 11:1-9; Babel-Babylon): self-exaltion and idolatry. She is the mother OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH (lit. "detestable things"), the prostitution of God's creation. And she finds her life in a perverse eucharist, the death of those united with Life Incarnate.
     
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    Jer 3:8-9 8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
    9 And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks.

    Ezek 16:14-15 14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.
    15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.

    Ezek 16:28-29 28 Thou hast played the whore also with the Assyrians, because thou wast unsatiable; yea, thou hast played the harlot with them, and yet couldest not be satisfied.
    29 Thou hast moreover multiplied thy fornication in the land of Canaan unto Chaldea; and yet thou wast not satisfied herewith.

    Hosea 4:15 15 Though thou, Israel, play the harlot, yet let not Judah offend; and come not ye unto Gilgal, neither go ye up to Bethaven, nor swear, The LORD liveth.

    During the old covenant, the Lord referred to the nation of Israel as a harlot when she had illicit relationships with her surrounding nations, and their gods. So also, in the new covenant, those who called themselves Christians, but had illicit relationships with the kings of the earth, and their gods are playing the harlot. The Church of Rome is the MOTHER OF HARLOTS, because she was the first " Christian " institution to apostatize and have relations with the kings of the earth, mixing pagan practices and worship with Christianity. This policy she also continues today, thus she is ever present at the UN and has ambassadors from virtually every nation tending to her.

    Rev 17:1-2 1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
    2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

    Rev 17:5 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

    63. Then came Constantine, the best imperial representative of the new paganism, and the most devout worshiper of the sun as the supreme and universal deity, with the avowed purpose, as expressed in his own words, "First to bring the diverse judgments formed by all nations respecting the Deity to a condition, as it were, of settled uniformity." In Constantine the new paganism met its ideal, and the New Platonism - the apostate, paganized, sun-worshiping form of Christianity - met its long-wished-for instrument. In him the two streams met. In him the aspiration of Elagabalus, the hope of Ammonius Saccas and Clement, of Plotinus and Origen, and the ambition of the perverse-minded, self-exalted bishops, were all realized and accomplished - a new, imperial, and universal religion was created. 64. Therefore, "the reign of Constantine the Great forms one of the epochs in the history of the world. It is the era of the dissolution of the Roman Empire; the commencement, or rather consolidation, of a kind of Eastern despotism, with a new capital, a new patriciate, a new constitution, a new financial system, a new, though as yet imperfect, jurisprudence, and, finally, a new religion." - Milman. 65. The epoch thus formed was the epoch of the papacy; and the new religion thus created was the PAPAL RELIGION. ( THE GREAT EMPIRES OF PROPHECY A. T. Jones )

    Constantine brought Sun worshippers, and Christians together, forming a new religion of the two. Although he claimed to become a Christian, he did so for the above purpose, and never claimed to abandon the worship of the sun. The result being the formation of the Church of Rome, and the exaltation of the day of the Sun as the Christian Sabbath.

    "In A.D. 321, to please the bishops of the Catholic Church, he issued an edict commanding judges, townspeople, and mechanics to rest on Sunday. Yet in this also his paganism was still manifest, as the edict required rest on "the venerable day of the sun," and "enjoined the observance, or rather forbade the public desecration, of Sunday, not under the name of Sabbatum, or Dies Domini, but under its old astrological and heathen title, Dies Solis, familiar to all his subjects, so that the law was as applicable to the worshipers of Hercules, Apollo, and Mithras, as to the Christians." - Schaff.

    "The same tenacious adherence to the ancient god of light has left its trace, even to our own time, on one of the most sacred and universal of Christian institutions. The retention of the old pagan name of "Dies Solis,' or 'Sunday,' for the weekly Christian festival, is in great measure owing to the union of pagan and Christian sentiment with which the first day of the week was recommended by Constantine to his subjects, pagan and Christian alike, as the 'venerable day of the sun.'... It was his mode ofharmonizing the discordant religions of the empire under one common institution." - Stanley.

    Accordingly, now "his coins bore on the one side the letters of the name of Christ, on the other the figure of the sun-god, and the inscription, 'Sol invictus' (the unconquerable sun), as if he could not bear to relinquish the patronage of the bright luminary which represented to him, as to Augustus
    and to Julian, his own guardian deity." - Stanley.

    The Church of Rome is a political organization. She is that apostate form of Christianity which first forsook the power of the Holy Spirit, in favor of the power of the state, for the furtherance of her goals. These things she accomplished by having adulterous relations with the kings of the earth. She is the MOTHER OF HARLOTS, and as such, of course she has children. Those Protestant denominations which broke away from her, but also leaned on the power of the state to enforce their dogmas, were acting the part of her daughters. It was not until the establishment of the USA, that many Protestant denominations fully broke away from the Romish idea of combining church and state.

    "In order to avoid wars and persecutions over religion, the founders of the United States tried a bold experiment. They allowed FREEDOM OF RELIGION by separating church from state, so that one could be a full member of civil society without having to belong to a particular church. Colonies that had established churches gradually ended that practice so that churches were no longer built by the state, nor were their ministers paid by the state. Churches began to rely on the voluntary contributions of their members, which resulted in more vigorous churches." (Groliers)

    Any Christian denomination that wants to use the power of the state to enforce or further it's goals, is a daughter of Babylon, the Mother of Harlots. She is the originator of this mind set. Rome, in it's pagan, and papal form, is the fourth metal, and beast of the book of Daniel chapters four,and seven. As the scriptures point out, she will be with us until Christ returns, destroying the kingdoms of this earth and setting up His literal and everlasting kingdom in this world.

    Dan 2:33-35 33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.
    34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
    35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

    Rome is rising again, and many Protestant churches are returning to their Mother. These things must happen before Christ returns. The second beast of Revelation will be formed when the worlds religions, headed by the Church of Rome, once again unite with the state on a worldwide basis and use the state to enforce their dogma. This dogma will be the forced worship spoken of in the book of Rev. Chap. thirteen. I leave you with the following quote.

    When Christianity conquered Rome the ecclesiastical structure of the pagan church, the title and vestments of the pontifex maximus, the worship of the Great Mother and a multitude of comforting divinities, the sense of supersensible presences everywhere, the joy or solemnity of old festivals, and the pageantry of immemorial ceremony, passed like maternal blood into the new religion, and captive Rome captured her conqueror. The reins and skill of government were handed down by a dying empire to a virile papacy; the lost power of the broken sword was rewon by the magic of the consoling word; the armies of the state were replaced by the missionaries of the Church moving in all directions along the Roman roads; and the revolted provinces, accepting Christianity, again acknowledged the sovereignty of Rome. Through the long struggles of the Age of Faith the authority of the ancient capital persisted and grew, until in the Renaissance the classic culture seemed to rise from the grave, and the immortal city became once more the center of summit of the world's life and wealth and art. When, in 1936, Rome celebrated the 2689th anniversary of her foundation, she could look back upon the most impressive continuity of government and civilization in the history of mankind. May she rise again.(CAESAR AND CHRIST, A history of Roman Civilization and of Christianity from theri beginnings to A.D.325. By Will Durant-1944)

    Bye for now. Y. b. in C. Keith
     
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    Don't you usually have to "prove a point" before claiming it as fact?

    Posting this post first might have worked better.

    http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/28/3847.html#000011

    Though it is not designed to win RC posters.
     
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    I've never understood the dispute over the Filioque. It's pretty obvious that the spirit DOES proceeed from the son.

    John 20:22 "And when [Jesus] had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the holy Spirit."
     
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    David Hunt thinks the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon - his name was dropped earlier.

    I think he's mistaken.
     
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    I think David Hunt is right!

    True believers owe nothing to the Whorish Roman Catholic. There were true churches outside Roman Catholic all the time.
     
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    You do know you can get treatment for that from your pharmacy?
     
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    But the filioque dispute has more to do with the question of ontological procession rather than thatb one historic instance, n'est-ce pas?
     
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    The requirements for the Harlot: ( Rev 17)

    1) She should sit on the 7 hills : Vatican yes.
    2) She should have persecuted the Martyrs of Jesus
    RC tortured and killed millions of true believers. No other religion killed so many Christians.
    3) She should have control over many countries.
    Vatican has the state-ship and controls many countries behind, via Freemason, Illuminati, Jesuit, Templar Knights, and so on ( I forgot one which I learned recently)
    4) She is now integrating many other religions in order to increase the power all over the world, in order to be prepared for the persecution of Christians at the end times.

    5) She should have all the heretic pagan worships, including Idol Worship which is the adulterours fornication against God.

    Therefore we can safely conclude that the Great Harlot is the very Roman Catholic.
     

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