The Greatest Cover-Up Of All: Vote Fraud In America

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  1. poncho

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    [SIZE=+2]How Your Parents' Votes Were Counted[/SIZE]

    Once upon a time, Americans voted by Paper Ballot. At the end of the day after the polls had closed, neighborhood people, Democrats and Republicans, worked together to count the votes in the precinct (polling place) BEFORE the votes left that precinct. The count was then posted at the precinct polling place for all to see. This is the only way to insure a verifiable election. Variations of method are possible, but the elements of physical ballots which are counted and posted at the precinct before the ballots leave each precinct are essential to insure a fair and honest count.

    To rig an election with the above safeguards built in, one would have to bribe many hundreds of neighborhood people, including key Democrats and Republicans in each precinct you hoped to rig. Finally, the group of people bribed at each precinct would only have access to a tiny fraction of the vote.

    [SIZE=+2]The Greatest Coverup Begins[/SIZE]

    About 1974 a sinister development was in full swing all over the United States. In many areas, especially high populations regions, the votes were no longer being counted in the precincts by neighborhood people. The switch was on to computer vote counting systems. Typical was Cincinnati, Ohio where votes were bundled up immediately after the polls closed and sent to a mysterious central computer room to be counted by secret computer codes. To add insult to injury, the votes were counted away from the watchful eye of the entire electorate and the press.

    Despite the brutal cover up that has been conducted for going on three decades by the news media and the major parties to prevent you from hearing about this issue, some major media news items have appeared. In a rare but superb news story on the eve of the 1988 Presidential election, Dan Rather (CBS Evening News) engaged in this exchange with computer expert Howard J. Strauss of Princeton University:

    Rather: "Realistically, could the fix be put on in a national election?"

    Strauss: "Get me a job with the company that writes the software for this program. (ed: Strauss was referring to the most common computer program in use) Then I'd have access to one third of the votes. Is that enough to fix a general election?"


    CONTINUE . . .


    Hope I can make this understood as there seems to be some confusion about this issue.

    This thread isn't about voter fraud. It's about vote fraud. There is no "r" in the word vote for a reason and this is because it isn't about voter fraud it's about vote fraud.

    Basically what this means is that in vote fraud elections are rigged from the top down.

    Whereas in voter fraud the elections are manipulated from the bottom up. See the difference?
     
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    Is Election Night Just Another Computer Game?

    Is Election Night Just Another Computer Game?

    Today's message for the NA (Network America) e-newswire concerns important background concepts to keep in mind in the Votefraud vs. Honest elections battle.

    The "status quo" has been so skewed and pushed so far off base in our day with regard to vote tabulation, that it has been necessary to develop concise ways to express certain concepts which everyone already knows, although very few have thought about these obvious facts in relation to the current systems in use and our current circumstances.

    1) The Board of Elections in any area exists for one reason and one reason only: to make sure that what the eligible voters vote in the neighborhood precincts is what is announced by both election officials and the media that night as the election results. If the local Board of Elections and the Secretary of State in each state can't prove that the system they are using accomplishes this as far as humanly possible, then they are totally derelict with regard to the only reason they exist.

    2) The citizen doesn't have to prove that this or that election is fixed, or accidentally distorted, - the Board of Elections has to be able to prove that every precaution has been taken to safeguard the integrity of the election as far as humanly possible.

    3) Tens of millions $$, if not hundreds of millions $$, if not over a billion dollars $$ are being paid by the 3075 counties in the USA to a relative handful of computer software companies and voting machine companies to run "our" elections for us. This money should be re-directed to pay people in the neighborhood precinct to count their own votes at closing time, in full view of any other citizens who want to be present. (The mechanics of how this would work will be explained in an NA e-newswire soon.) How much money would it take? About $800 per precinct on average according to our calculations. Probably less than what the counties are now paying the mega-software companies. But even if having citizen checks and balances in our elections cost more $$, it must be done. Why? Just as national defense is supposed to defend our nation from foreign enemies, honest elections are supposed to defend our nation against domestic enemies. After twenty five years of computer-generated election results, it seems to me our country is now being RUN by domestic enemies.

    4) During the OJ Simpson trial, we heard a lot about the chain of evidence being broken in the handling of the blood between OJ's house and the Police Lab. This is a useful concept when considering vote tabulation. When the ballots are snatched from the neighborhood precinct before those who cast the ballots have manually counted or double checked the results and posted those results in public view - then the chain of evidence is broken and you can never really be sure that the ballots counted downtown or brought forth for a recount are the same ballots which were marked by the voters in the precinct.

    5) A good question to ask verbally and in writing until hand counted paper ballots with citizen checks and balances are restored: "Is Election Night Just Another Computer Game?"

    SOURCE

     
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    A person goes into a polling place and walks out with a blank ballot. he goes to the tav across the street and fills it out. He gives the ballot to a guy waiting at the bar. The guy votes the filled out ballot and returns with a blank. The guy gives the blank to the person and is given a pint of cheap booze.
     
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    The honest person goes to the poll touches the screen and walks out never wondering if his or her vote is going to go to the candidate they voted for.

    And it probably isn't if the candidate they voted for is Ron Paul. :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    Vote fraud: What they aren't telling you

    Magicians use something called a 'magician's distraction.' They direct your attention to one hand while the other hand is busy doing the magic trick. Right now, everyone is watching the ballots and registrations, but they're ignoring what's inside these machines we pay for with our tax dollars, and according to the high court here in California, we have no right to do so to protect "proprietary interests" of the manufacturer. Let me enlighten you by quoting from a vote fraud newsletter (Cincinnatus News Service), December 1996:

    "The missing link in the vote fraud investigation has been found. The November 1996 issue of Relevance Magazine reveals that two-way hidden modems are being built into the ever growing number of computerized optical scanner/direct recording voting machines in use all across the country from New England to California.


    "These ostensibly independent voting machines are each driven by its own mini-computer. For example, the citizen, immediately after voting, feeds his ballot through an optical scanner which "reads" the vote and allegedly records the results immediately. Right after the polls close, a precinct worker obtains the cumulative "results" from that polling place by pushing a button which causes the mini-computer to issue a printed sheet.

    "How can tens of thousands of these independent voting machines in tens of thousands of separate locations possibly be manipulated without involving tens of thousands of people?....

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    Maine vote fraud official

    Maine – It is no longer disputable. In almost every state thus far in the 2012 race for the Republican nomination, vote fraud and its instigators have viciously stolen the innocence from the American people, as the voters in the State of Maine become the latest to be hijacked by the establishment and its army of pro-status quo minions.

    The day of the Maine Caucus, Feb. 11, witnessed another round of official misconduct and wrongdoing, preceding a week of chaos while Maine’s Republican Party leaders attend to their new positions in government…serving the American people by guiding elections and their results via miscounting and excluding votes, ignoring entire counties and precincts, postponing specific precinct caucusing entirely, and dictating which counties and precincts will and will not eventually count.

    As democracy openly dies in front of anyone who has the nerve to watch, the voters of Maine have now unwittingly joined a lengthening parade of states that have fallen victim to elite funded election hijacking, attempting to insure the perpetuation of an agenda that a growing number of alarmed Americans are slowly and painfully becoming privy to.

    CONTINUE . . .
     
  7. Salty

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    First of all, a primary (or caucus) is not a democracy. It is based on rules the party has agreed to.

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    <edited - LE>...... to derail any discussion that might start up. There's a few here who play this game. Pay em no mind. If they admit the obvious like the election is rigged then they wouldn't be able to spend months discussing a process that no longer exists in minute detail anymore.

    The illusion of free elections they've been protecting so hard would blow away and they'd be left behind with pie on their face.

    Here's a link to the type of dicussion I know you'll enjoy more<edited LE>. I wouldn't leave a brother out in the cold. You can go there and dabble in the illusion all you want whilst I continue to make the truth about the system known here.

    <PA Deleted and edit - LE> taking the time to learn the truth and make it known here instead of spending countless hours comparing the "candidates" and their parties against one another. I reckon if any of you dared to speak up and discuss the rigging of the elections with me instead of the illusion of free elections that you to would bad Christians. Hey no one wants to be called a bad Christian right?
     
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    There is no conspiracy against Ron Paul. It isn't necessary. His support consists primarily of soldiers legitimately tired of our war policies, committed libertarians (of which there are few), and a random assortment of young bandwagon jumpers who support him because it is "cool."

    You just can't win the GOP primary with that kind of coalition.

    P.S. --On the bandwagon jumpers, I find it absolutely hilarious how many college students who are attending colleges funded with government money on loans and grants from the federal government are supporting such a staunchly libertarian candidate.
     
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    Caucus Coup: Ron Paul Mob Overthrows Seattle GOP For 21 Delegates

    A mob of Ron Paul supporters run GOP establishment sock puppets off site at Seattle caucus, with ballots in hand, and win the prize of 21 delegates.

    The GOP was up to their dirty tricks in Seattle Washington as the Santorum, Gingrich, and Romney people tried to team to prevent any delegates from going to Ron Paul.

    But there was a little problem… they were massively outnumbered by Ron Paul supporters who just weren’t having.

    Instead, they staged a coup and took the chair from few establishment GOP puppets on site who responded to the mutiny by walking off with the ballots and the scanners as an attempt to steal the delegates from Ron Paul.

    CONTINUE . . .



    Stefan, pardon me for saying this but would you please go get a clue? :laugh:
     
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    >First of all, a primary (or caucus) is not a democracy. It is based on rules the party has agreed to.

    Then you agree that primary elections should be financed by the political parties and not by the taxpayers?

    If primaries are based on party rules then why do some union states have open primaries?
     
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    Says Mr. Paranoid.:laugh:
     
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    Yes, I would agree with that :thumbsup:
    Actually, I prefer caucuses.


    I don't know why some States or Commonwealths have laws permitting open primaries. I had never associated union states and open primaries.
     
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    Hey We All Know That...

    If it weren't for voter fraud, McCain would be our POTUS. And Gore may have never had to fight in the courts to be POTUS (the final vote against Bush would never have been in question), because we all know he didn't have the votes to come that close! IMHO, of course :wavey:
     
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    No really I only said that because you can't seem to see what's right at the end of your nose. The conspiracy is obvious. I'm guessing that you choose not to see it because they're conspiring against Ron Paul so it's okay, right?

    Wrong! They're conspiring against you. They're cheating you out of fair and honest elections. Or maybe you like the crooked system the way it is so long as your candidate is doing well in it.

    Is that about right?

    Voter fraud is being discussed over in one of Salty's threads RR. This thread is about vote fraud. Not voter fraud, but vote fraud. You know vote fraud where the elections are rigged from the top down. As in election "officials" conspiring with certain favored campaigns to rig the election. The signing of phoney names, voting while dead or voting with or without proper ID or citizenship has nothing to do with vote fraud. That's voter fraud, this is vote fraud.
     
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    In 1989, John McAfee (of the McAfee antivirus company) wrote a book about computer viruses, worms, trojan horses, etc. One quote stuck out the most to me: McAfee asked a hacker associate if he thought that the voting system could be hacked. The associate replied, "what makes you think it hasn't been already?"

    Remember, the book was published in 1989; that means it was written, at the earliest, a year prior; and probably more like 2-3 years prior. The hacker community already believed it was possible to mess with the vote at that time.
     
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    Recipe for Vote Fraud: Global Internet Voting Firm Buys U.S. Election Results Reporti

    The Ability to Commit Vote Fraud is Becoming Push-Button


    [Preface by Washington's Blog: This development comes at an interesting time, when Ron Paul supporters, progressives and the mainstream media are all discussing potential vote fraud.]

    By Bev Harris, Black Box Voting

    In a major step towards global centralization of election processes, the world’s dominant Internet voting company has purchased the USA’s dominant election results reporting company.

    When you view your local or state election results on the Internet, on portals which often appear to be owned by the county elections division, in over 525 US jurisdictions you are actually redirected to a private corporate site controlled by SOE software, which operates under the name ClarityElections.com.

    The good news is that this firm promptly reports precinct-level detail in downloadable spreadsheet format. As reported by BlackBoxVoting.org in 2008, the bad news is that this centralizes one middleman access point for over 525 jurisdictions in AL, AZ, CA, CO, DC, FL, KY, MI, KS, IL, IN, NC, NM, MN, NY, SC, TX, UT, WA. And growing.

    As local election results funnel through SOE’s servers (typically before they reach the public elsewhere), those who run the computer servers for SOE essentially get “first look” at results and the ability to immediately and privately examine vote details throughout the USA.

    In 2004, many Americans were justifiably concerned when, days before the presidential election, Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell redirected Ohio election night results through the Tennessee-based server for several national Republican Party operations.

    This is worse: This redirects results reporting to a centralized privately held server which is not just for Ohio, but national; not just USA-based, but global.

    CONTINUE . . .
     
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    A person should not be afraid to put his money where is mouth is.

    If every country put their voting list on line and the ballot was combined with the voting list then every person could see that his vote was correctly recorded and tallied. Neighbors could check for dead neighbors voting.
     
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    Poncho, see my thread about the 2012 election fix. LE
     
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    I saw that LE. Strange isn't it? I mean the election is rigged of that there is no doubt the evidence is everywhere and growing and yet people are still talking about candidate "A" did this and canidate "B" said that like it matters.


    No matter what we're going to end up with another "president" that thinks his power is limitless and his authority comes from some international body.
     

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