The Holy Spirit and Salvation 2

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    To Glorify Christ ! -



    The Spirit's Work is to Glorify Christ !

    Jn 16:14

    He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

    That word Glorify here means in this context:

    ) to cause the dignity and worth of some person or thing to become manifest and acknowledged

    This should put to shame those blasphemers who say, that Christ's Death is worthless apart from the Work of The Spirit, may God hold them to that in the Day of Judgment !

    This Work of the Spirit is accomplished, Glorifying Christ, by bringing all for whom Christ died into Faith or Obedience. That is what in meant here Acts 5:32

    32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

    Or He has given to those now obeying Him, the Spirit being the Author of that Obedience !

    1 Pet 1:2

    2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

    Again, obedience coming from the Spirit's Sanctifying Work !

    He successfully makes known to all the Heirs of Grace the Value and Worth of Christ's Finished Work, and of His Person as God Man !

    He not only Glorifies Christ by the Believers initial Believing in Christ for Righteousness and Salvation, but He also is the cause of our continuing in the Faith of Christ, and Living in the Faith of the Son of God, who Loved us and Gave Himself for us Gal 2:20

    20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
     
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    jesus said that the Spirit ALONE can bring conviction/reproof upon sinners, only he can make a dead sinner able to become alive again in jesus...

    Are yiou trying to Blashphememe the Spirit?
     
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    Now you reject the Teaching of the Spirit's Role in Salvation ! You believe man applies salvation, and just ignore the Work of the Spirit !
     
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    reread what I posted, as very clear the Holy Sprit does His work to the sinner in order to get them able to become a saint!
     
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    Do you understand the OP ? I do not think you do. Please break down each point as you see it being given !
     
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    We see God the Holy Spirit work His Power in causing both Faith and Repentance on the day of Pentecost only days earlier, some had Crucified Christ in Unbelief, Peter made mention of it Acts 2:23

    23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

    But now that the Spirit had come, when the Day of Pentecost had fully arrived, it was to them a Spirit of Grace or the Grace of the Spirit causing them to Look upon Him whom they had pierced Zech 12:10

    10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look[Faith] upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn[Godly Sorrow] for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

    And so it True of what Paul wrote later 1 Cor 12:3, for these people on that Day were beginning to Calling Jesus Lord and Christ by the Holy Spirit !
     
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    Only problem is that the prophecy that you quoted refers aminly tothe jewish remnant that will be living when jesus returns, and Isreal is reborn!
     
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    The Covenant Work of the Holy Spirit under the New Covenant ministration is primarily Gospel Centered, Evangelical Centered in making ready a people prepared of the Lord Lk 1:17

    And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.



    Making ready the redeemed of the Lord, by capacitatiing them spiritually to embrace the good news of their Salvation. This He does by giving them New Birth, by this He gives them a Spiritual and Sanctified Understanding to spiritually discern the Eternal Truths of the Everlasting Gospel Matt 13:23

    23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

    1 Cor 2:12-14

    12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things the Gospel reveals !

    This scripture without doubt confirms New Birth preceding believing the Gospel and in order to to believing it Eph 1:13

    13 Which things also we speak [The Gospel], not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

    14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

    If not for this, the Preaching of the Eternal Truths of the Gospel would be but foolishness 1 Cor 1:18, that same word foolishness is used again in 1 Cor 2:14, so that reasonably denotes that the Preaching of the Cross in 1 Cor 1:18 and the things of the Spirit of God in 1 Cor 2:14 are one and the same, for Paul makes it plain what was the principle of His Preaching here 1 Cor 2:2, this makes it even more plainer that the things of God in vs 14 were related to the Preaching of the Cross or Christ Crucified. The Holy Spirit makes the Called one's meet by New Birth, to be called into the fellowship with the Father and His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ 1 Cor 1:9 ; 2 Thess 2:14, for this Blessed Call in the Gospel and Holy Call 2 Tim 1:9 would not go out to sinners dead in trespasses and sins and yet unholy, alienated from the Life of God, and yet still enemies in their minds by wicked works, for God does not call for and summons fellowship with the likes of that, we must already be spiritually prepared for the Lord !
     
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    Thats a lie, the prophecy had to do with the day of Pentecost and God pouring His Spirit out on all flesh, both Jew and Gentile. Acts 2:17



    17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

    The same pouring of the Spirit here Zech 12:10

    10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

    All flesh however meant that Gentiles also would have the same Spirit poured on them, which came to past with Cornelius Acts 10:44-45

    44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

    45 And they of the circumcision which believed[The Jewish Remnant] were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles[Gentile Remnant Acts 15] also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    So you are absolutely in error and delusion !
     
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    Jn 6:40 Who is it that See's the Son and believes ?



    Jn 6:40

    40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    Who is it that seeth the Son as to Trust in Him and Believe in Him for all of Salvation and Eternal Life ; it is those who first have had their eyes opened Acts 26:18

    18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

    The eyes of spiritual understanding Eph 1:18

    18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

    Which hope is preached in the Gospel Col 1:23

    23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

    Seeing the Son spiritually is required before and unto believing on Him unto everlasting Life. This confirms new Birth before Faith !
     
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    Why does it glorify God for the Holy Spirit to regenerate some people but not others? Is God glorified more by sending people to Hell than to Heaven?
     
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    He will reprove the world of sin



    Jn 16:8-10



    8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

    9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

    10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

    11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

    He shall reprove or convince the World of sin, a very specific world, for the article is present before it, it is the World that God so Loved, that He gave His only Begotten Son in behalf of Jn 3:16 for its sins 1 Cor 15:3, and so it is in alignment with this Purpose, The Holy Ghost convinces or reproves each member of this World of their experiential union with the fallen adam, and the corruption of our human nature because of it, the enmity and unbelief in our hearts, and the perverseness and slavery of our wills to sin, and then it cometh to pass, that they are all Taught of God, and learned of Him, of their depravity and lack of strength [ Rom 5:6] and so then they come to Christ, via the Gospel and have revealed to them a Righteousness Jn 6:45

    45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

    The teaching and learning here are both providential and doctrinal and spiritual as it relates to the Gospel by which their Righteousness is Revealed Rom 1:16-17

    16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
     
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    He enables the sinner to be able to turn to jesus, and place faith in him to get saved!
     
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    Prove anything in the post I stated wrong or unscriptural, you are very evasive !
     
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    You deny that a sinner receives jesus by faith in order to be saved!

    You have God being the direct cause of the Fall!
     
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    The Holy Spirit NEVER directs attention to herself! (Fem. personal pronoun to annoy "True Believers.") Jesus taught us to pray to God IN THE NAME OF the Son. We were never instructed by Jesus to pray to Jesus or to the Holy Spirit.
     
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    How about Stephen, Lord jesus receive my spirit?
     
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    Prove anything in the post I stated wrong or unscriptural, you are very evasive !
     
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    Just gave you 2 errors that you have posted her on the BB!
     
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    >>The Holy Spirit NEVER directs attention to herself! (Fem. personal pronoun to annoy "True Believers.") Jesus taught us to pray to God IN THE NAME OF the Son. We were never instructed by Jesus to pray to Jesus or to the Holy Spirit.

    >How about Stephen, Lord jesus receive my spirit?


    ??? What has that to do with the Holy Spirit?
     

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