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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Protestant, Jan 15, 2015.

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  1. Darrell C

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    And isn't that one of the issues you seek to champion? lol


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    So we can go through your posts and not find a charge of heresy against a dispensational view?

    Is this true?

    And again appealing to men for truth.

    Spurgeon is not the rule of measure for truth, only the Word of God is.


    As do many others who have been influenced by Catholic Doctrine.

    What is sad is that this is a false argument. Just because there are Dispensational believers and teachers that do...does not mean everyone does.

    What is also clear is that you hold to a belief that the Church is identical to believers under the Covenant of Law, meaning they were saved identically to those in the Church.

    While the Church is not parenthetical in the sense that God will revert to an Old Testament Economy of salvation which is temporal, the Church began on the Day of Pentecost.

    That is irrefutable Biblical fact.

    All believers who are saved today, in the Tribulation, and in the thousand year Reign of Christ have to, and will have to...be born again, which is accomplished only through faith in Christ and His death which was not possible prior to Christ actually dying.

    Until that is understood the disjointed doctrine of Catholicism will still have her claws in even those assuming themselves to be Reformed.

    The true reformation comes through the New Birth which cannot occur apart from the eternal indwelling of God, which was only a promise given to Israel, and given while she was divided. There is no historical fulfillment of this in Israel's History until...

    ...Pentecost.

    Parenthetical? No.

    The new man? Yes.


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    You have been showed Paul's teachings many time. Yet you still know nothing, despite your exhaustive research of the works of men, about the Pre-Tribulation Rapture taught by Paul, which is verified through the events of the Tribulation taught in Revelation and supported by all Old Testament Prophecy related to end-time events.


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    Yes it will.

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    The LIE IS: The claim that Scripture supports the pre-trib-"snatching away" of the Church and the claim that the Church is a "parenthesis", an interruption, in GOD's program for national or ethnic Israel. That claim is totally false and comes out of the mind of John Nelson Darby, whom Charles Spurgeon called a heretic, while he was recuperating from an accident. Darby supposedly got a new revelation while reading Isaiah 32!

    I understand that you "rapture ready people" don't like to acknowledge that the pre-trib-doctrine of Darby leads to the doctrine of the "parenthesis" Church. But when you embrace false doctrine you have to live with it!

    Following are remarks by Chafer and Ryrie. Lewis Sperry Chafer founded and served as the first president of Dallas Theological Seminary, and was an influential proponent of Christian Dispensationalism in the early 20th century. Charles C. Ryrie is a Christian writer and theologian who served as professor of systematic theology and dean of doctoral studies at Dallas Theological Seminary He is also the author of the Ryrie Study Bible.

    Then there are the remarks of Harry A. Ironside former pastor of the Moody Memorial Church in Chicago. The quote is from the preface to his book, The Great Parenthesis.

    To the contrary, however, the Baptist Faith and Message adopted in 2000 says about the Church:
     
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    The thread is the Israel of God...try to focus.

    The Church is the cumulative goal of Israel's redemption.

    By the end of the Sheep and Goat Judgment...All of National Israel will be saved, born again believers, and they will inhabit the Kingdom, just as the Gentile Christians saved in the Tribulation...as physical Christians, the Body of Christ, the One Fold with One Shepherd.

    And at the end of the thousand year reign, all believers of all time will be united in the Eternal State, where we will finally see only that One Fold.




    Tsk, tsk, quoting non-Catholics does not nullify that it is a Catholic Tradition to try to validate Scripture with the works of men, rather than the Biblical Practice of validating the works of men with Scripture.

    The Christian Faith revealed through the Holy Spirit beginning on the Day of Pentecost and the equally inspired teachings which are the only teachings worthy of our trust says many things about the Church as well. What they don't say is that the Body of Christ existed prior to Pentecost, and when we balance the Whole Counsel of God we see that clearly.

    Which takes us back to the first point I made in this thread, that while National Israel was not eternally forgiven, eternally indwelt, and had not received that which is only promise in the Old Testament, we still recognize that they are a created Witness Nation for God, and that God has not cast them away. We still recognize the distinction between temporal blessing, promise, and provision and the realization of that which God said He would do.

    We have to keep Israel in her temporal context that we are not forced to nullify a large part of Scripture.


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    This is a true statement, as we see that the Old Testament believer has been made perfect through the Work of Christ.

    That does not make the Old Testament believer a part of the Church in the Old Testament, any more than a Gentile Proselyte actually became a Jew. Their faith was counted as righteousness, but they were still awaiting redemption through Christ.

    Not sure what kind of Baptist's adopted this, but if it is meant to say Old Testament Believers were members of the Body of Christ, the Church...that is error.


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    Correction: "You have been shown", not showed!

    It is incorrect to say that Paul taught a false doctrine, the so-called-pre-trib-"snatching away" of the Church. You must understand the following or you will never understand Scripture no matter how much you mouth it:

     
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    As you said:
    But then Paul never taught "the trinity," nor any of the points of TULIP.
    He didn't even teach Christology because that word isn't in the Bible either.

    But make no doubt, "the rapture" is taught in the Bible. Maybe not the way that you think we believe, for you simply parrot your authorities and have no idea what the actual beliefs are of those whom you debate.
    But there is a rapture.
     
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    I am not from Missouri but no one has shown Scripture yet that supports the pre-trib-removal of the Church. That doctrine was the offspring of John Nelson Darby!

    I would also add that essentially all the authorities I have quoted, other then the Bible which is the ultimate authority, have themselves been or are disciples of John Nelson Darby!
     
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    Many people have shown you scripture that would support a rapture. Because you don't accept it doesn't mean it is not there. It is still evidence worth consideration. And it has nothing to do with any man. The Bible is the Bible. Deal with the Word of God.
     
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    So you want to now drag pointing out typos into it, is that it? lol

    Okay. That will fit right into ignoring the Scripture, appealing to men, and name-calling.

    Popish, my friend, very popish.

    ;)

    So just how many resurrections are there in Revelation again?

    The "lie" is that I view the Church as parenthetical in a Dispensational manner.

    Why is it you did not address that?


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    This thread is over 30 pages and needs to be closed.
     
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