The Jeffersonian

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  1. KenH

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    A rather interesting article about a potential major player in 2008 for the GOP presidential nomination, Senator George Allen. I like this part of the article: Allen's identification with Jefferson runs deeper than trivia. In his stump speeches and interviews he describes his political philosophy as "common sense Jeffersonian conservatism." What does that mean? "I don't like restrictions or limits on people," he said. "Unless you're harming someone else, leave people alone. I don't like nanny, meddling, restrictive, burdensome government." Jeffersonian rhetoric on government's size and role is a welcome antidote to both parties' apparent surrender to big government.

    Alas, however, his record as a senator hasn't exactly lived up to his fondness for Jefferson. But he has been on the correct side of many issues from a conservative/libertarian standpoint.



    [SIZE=+0]The Jeffersonian[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=-1]By [SIZE=-1]David Holman[/SIZE][/SIZE]

    [SIZE=-2]Published 7/18/2006 12:05:12 AM [/SIZE]
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    This article appeared in the June 2006 issue of The American Spectator, as its cover story.


    ASK GEORGE ALLEN IF HE'S RUNNING for president, and Virginia's junior senator demurs like any politician facing re-election this year.​

    "When we get to the future, I'll determine the future," he told reporters recently.​

    But make no mistake -- George F. Allen is running for president. Or he just happens especially to enjoy primary states. In March and April, he visited Iowa, New Hampshire, Texas, South Carolina, and North Carolina. He's courting bigwigs at state party conventions, and throwing his name in the hat for presidential straw polls. ​

     
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    Thanks for the link, but I don't think Senator Allen has a remote chance of winning the nomination for the GOP Presidential candidate.

    Besides, there is a much better candidate from the Commonwealth.......

    Regards,
    BiR
     
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    He's far and away the best candidate on the horizon for the Christian right. IMHO We have no one else.
     
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    1. I would like to know you reasoning. From my reading on politics, at this point, Allen is considered one of the big three, along with Guiliani and McCain.

    2. Who do you think would be a better GOP presidential candidate from the Commonwealth of Virginia?
     
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    My present favorites, in no particular order, are Allen, Brownback, and Santorum.
     
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    Baptist in Richmond,

    Are you still around to answer my questions, please?


    1. I would like to know you reasoning. From my reading on politics, at this point, Allen is considered one of the big three, along with Guiliani and McCain.

    2. Who do you think would be a better GOP presidential candidate from the Commonwealth of Virginia?
     
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    How can you possibly deduce that he is the best candidate for the "Christian right?" Besides, the GOP owns the Christian right.

    Certainly:
    1. Allen does not have the national recognition that would be necessary.
    2. Allen has not been that much of a standout while representing the Commonwealth. He has always been overshadowed by Senator Warner. Can you point to anything that placed him on the national stage?

    I would be curious as to why you think he is a good candidate. What has he done that would lead you to believe that?

    Whoa: I never said the candidate was from the GOP.
    The better candidate is easy: Mark Warner.
    He was a great businessman, and a great governor - a very popular Democrat on what is arguably a VERY red state.

    Sorry for the delay in responding: I had a death in the family.

    Regards,
    BiR
     
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    Greetings FTR:

    Santorum? You have GOTTA be kidding..... [sic]
    He may not even win his Senate seat.

    Regards, hope all is well,
    BiR
     
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    Hi BiR,


    I'm sorry for your loss.



    I thought that the Left believed it was the other way around. ;)

    I wasn't happy, though, when I read something (here on BB, I think) that Santorum supported Specter over Toomey.
     
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    I am sorry for your loss. May God bless you and your family.

    As regards your support for Warner, I thought you were a Republican.

    As regards your support for Warner, doesn't he suffer from the same lack of national name recognition as Allen?

    I don't know whether Allen would be a good candidate or not, but in reading on the Internet among the political pundits he is mentioned as a potential major player in 2008.

    I remember back to 1976 when I help the Jimmy Carter campaign on my college campus how he was virtually unknown until he starting winning Democratic Party primaries.
     
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    Ken,

    Emphasis on were, I think, Ken.

    But Warner's not running.

    You're right about that. Clinton was an unknown, too, wasn't he, except for his Castro-length keynote four years before?
     
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    Yes, ftr, you are correct about Clinton.


    Here are some rankings that some might find to be interesting:

    Republicans

    1. Rudy Giuliani (rising) -- Starting to campaign like he means it, and the polls trump the conventional wisdom that he's too liberal to become the Republican nominee.

    2. John McCain (falling) -- Gaining a lot of big-name free agents for his campaign, but are they joining a winning team?

    3. George Allen (rising) -- Will look to hold off Romney and Huckabee as the top conservative challenger.

    4. Mitt Romney (steady) -- Serving out the last half-year of his term as governor of a liberal state could keep Romney from gaining on the leaders.

    5. Mike Huckabee (steady) -- Campaigning harder than anyone, but starting with a big deficit in name recognition.


    Democrats

    1. Hillary Clinton (steady) -- Edwards is gaining in the polls, but Clinton will start the 2008 campaign with a big financial head start.

    2. John Edwards (rising) -- Popular in Iowa, Edwards could give Senator Clinton a strong early challenge.

    3. John Kerry (rising) -- His negatives in the latest Gallup poll were no worse than Warner's and Feingold's, and he has a big edge in name recognition, organization, and funding.

    4. Russ Feingold (steady) -- Right on the issues for a lot of Democrats, but many are wary of his chances if he becomes the 2008 nominee.

    5. Mark Warner (steady) -- Could move back toward the top of the list if Democrats decide it's time for a new face.


    - http://thenextprez.blogspot.com/2006/07/friday-top-five.html
     
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    Please tell me how a Christian can support a Democrat. Abortion at any stage of the pregnancy, homosexuality a civil right, same-sex marriages, socialized medicine, socialized education K thru college, are just a few of the items in the demoncrat platform. And don't tell me you "vote for the man." The "man" endorses the platform. Remember Al Gore and Joe Lieberman switching from pro-life to pro-choice, "for the sake of unity," never mind the slaughtered babies.
     
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    I have rarely voted for a Democrat but not everyone accepts your viewpoint that your, or my or any particular person's, religious viewpoints should be written into secular law.

    Also, items such as socialized medicine and government schools are not covered by New Testament doctrine.

    By the way, I have read people on the Internet questioning how a Christian can support George W. Bush.

    I think either statement, whether questioning a Christian's support for Democrats or George W. Bush, is without merit.
     
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    Thank you very much for that.

    Some of us do, but they aren't really looking at the aggregate picture. The GOP owns the Christian right. Look no further than the fact that this election year brought us talk of gay marriage, flag burning, stem-cell research, and the inclusion of "under God" in the Pledge. If these issues are so near and dear to the hearts of the Christian right, then why do they not hold the GOP accountible for the fact that action is only taken in an election year? Let's face it: the Christian right is owned by the Republicans.

    By the way, Did you see that Ann Coulter was on the 700 Club talking about how the left is "trying to fake a belief in God?" [http://mediamatters.org/items/200607240008]
    Ann Coulter is talking about faking a belief in God? Have you ever seen what she said about wishing someone a "Merry Christmas" in New York and that to which she equates the phrase? You have to google it, as I cannot provide a link to such lewd language on the board. As a leftie, I have never used wish someone a Merry Christmas to say that which she apparently does.

    Does that really shock you? I am quite fond of you and really enjoy our conversations; however, I really hope that the Pennsylvania Senator gets sent back home..................... to Virginia!

    Regards to you - hope all is well,
    BiR (on a business trip to Nashville)
     
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    A sincere thank you for that, Ken.

    For now, I am - but I am becoming more and more disillusioned by the GOP. As for Mark Warner, he was very popular in the Commonwealth - with both the Democrats and Republicans. He did a great job here in the Commonwealth, and left with a very high approval rating. Our current Governor, Tim Kaine, is also popular with both sides of the political spectrum - as Virginia is a VERY red state.

    Yes, and no. Although he is not as well-known as Hillary Rodham; however, he is known for being a very good Governor. Moreover, he could really get national attention if he makes a good showing in the debates....... provided he decides to run.

    I know that he will not get my vote for his Senate seat.

    That is an interesting topic. I wonder how much of that is attributed to the backlash over Watergate, and the perception that he was a Washington outsider.

    God's Best to you and yours,
    BiR
     
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    BiR,

    I wish she would "get turned" like David Brock and become a liberal. I will say, as I said before, that I thought she did a magnificent job with Treason, which I thought was well researched and argued, but I haven't read any of her other books. I've mentioned here before the debate I saw her on on C-SPAN, I think it was, in which she, David Limbaugh, and Jay Sekulow were debating Barry Lynn and a couple of others regarding establishment clause issues. She was NOT a debater, but simply came off as a smart aleck teenager who detracted from her side of the issue. We don't need someone whose stock in trade is insults.

    Sure it does. I have had much more respect for Santorum than that. What is it about Santorum that you disagree with or don't like? He seems to be a strong pro-lifer and conservative, which is why I've admired him. Did his support for Specter bother you too?

    Take care, BiR, and please stay safe.

    Warm regards,

    FTR
     
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    I agree.

    I am not sure what the Bible would say of "socialized" programs. As only mention is our instruction to give tithes to God. But I do know our social programs are a bloated joke! As it is abused and in many cases promotes laziness, unlawful actions, envy, and detracts from the truly needy etc. Of which the Bible does speak of.

    Mississippi is often the lowest in the Nation with certain categories, including economics. Yet Mississippians give more to charitable causes than any other state. It is also one of the most conservative states and lies deep within the Bible belt. I submit their good charity simply correlates with their Christianity.

    This is not to put any other state down or people. The point is the government is not always the best or only solution. In some instances it it the poorest. I do believe in some social programs but not to the extent Democrats push for. It's better to see those who really need help gets it, while weeding out those who really just need to get a job.




    Continuing, and with Ann Coulter: I never cared to much for her. As I do not think insults are necessary and tends to undermine her arguments. Which are most often excellent. However, I just finished her "Godless, the church of liberalism" and do highly recommend. It becomes easy to overlook her insulting jabs, compared to the absolute vulgarity and blasphemous subjects she addresses with liberal thinking. A few excepts from book.

    Coulter:
    Coulter:
    She goes on to talk about various issues in the public schools. Noting schools
    She addresses some things which schools are teaching, of which, are absolute hardcore in nature. One example is where a school invited Suzi Landolphi, a 5 time divorcée and radical woman, to speak to children about sex and aids. All students were required to attend. She began the presentation
    Within her 90 min. presentation she asked a male student to lick a condom with her, had numerous students make "orgasm faces" in front of a camera, and had a female student put a condom over a male students head. Then blow it up. The rest is unbelievable and cannot be described.
    Coulter notes an immediate lawsuit was brought by parents
    (all ch.1)

    In note, of her wishing "Merry Christmas" in New York, she likened it to be in your face, as f-you. This was of absolute bad taste and judgment. But it says more of New York and is what she was trying to convey.




    First, I send condolences for your loss also and God bless! I agree with your statement though. I would not vote democrat but our choices today seem to be more and more the lesser of two evils. So to say. We are not necessarily voting for someone as much as we are voting against someone. Where's the Reagans'?

    Y'all have a good one.:thumbs:
     
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    Isnt' this the same George Allen who was Governor of VA a few years ago?

    If it is, I liked him because he tried to abolish the horrible car tax we have here in VA. He managed to get it reduced, but then the VA congress voted to keep it from being abolished! :mad: :mad:

    George Allen, bless him, tried to fight them, but it didn't work. :(
     
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    I rest my case, FTR.......

    By the way, FTR, I must've missed this quote when I posted this morning:
    Now, that was HILARIOUS!!! <sound of BiR applauding you>

    Take care and keep in touch,
    BiR
     
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