The Jesus Codes, - Not the Torah ELS Codes of TBN

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  1. Jesusmyfriend

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    Hi,

    Here is a page that makes you wonder. I got it from:

    http://www.geocities.com/iamthekey_2000/simple.html

    The English Gematria Jesus Codes

    If you're still a little unsure about these codes maybe these tables and the 444 examples listed below for words Jesus, Cross and Gospel will help you. First of all relax, Jesus Christ is Lord and the enemy was defeated at the cross. The 666 number prophecy given by Jesus was to help the end time church regonize the Antichrist, not to cause the church to fear. 666 is not a number to fear, it is the buying a selling mark of the Antichrist one must worry about. Now after you have said the amen of agreement, that Jesus Christ is Lord and that all the forces of hell are defeated by the blood of Jesus, let us begin.

    Common errors and assumptions

    First you MUST NOT confuse these codes with the Torah ELS codes promoted by Michael Drosin, TBN and numerous websites. "ELS codes" (a.k.a. Torah codes, Skip codes, and Equidistant Letter Sequences) NOTICE: The codes listed here are the English gematria codes, they are NOT the Torah ELS codes.

    Most prophecy teachers have assumed and I highly stress assumed, that the prophecy of Revelation 13 can only be determined by the Hebrew or the Koine Greek gematria. This is an error of the worst kind, this is like saying you cannot read the Bible or be saved unless you can read the original Hebrew or Koine Greek. Obviously this is an errored assumption. The other argument is that English is a very new language, about 500 years or so. In it's present form its only about 150 years old. However this fact is quite revealing if your looking at it in the proper perspective. How is it that such a new language is now the international language for banking, the world bank, the United Nations and the language recognized for use by all international air traffic controllers worldwide.

    Why is it almost all countries of the world teach their children English in their public school systems. The reason is simple and obvious, God has ordained English for this purpose and for the revealing of Revelation 13 calculation prophecy. So do not receive the error of these prophecy teachers who say it cannot be determined by the English. Do not waste your money supporting the errors of these prophecy teachers. They are completely wrong and have nothing else to offer that will pass the scientific method as the English gematria codes will. The math speaks for itself and cannot be denyed by any serious student of prophecy. You will not find any of these match total patterns in the Koine Greek, or Hebrew.

    The A=6 B=12 C=18 alphabet shown below was not picked randomly. It was selected out of 443,556 scientific alphabet possibilities that exist in the English language for calculating 666 possibilities. There are no more and there are no less. To understand this in more detail read the software info page linked at the top and bottom of this page. You can also download this program while you're there if you like, its free. The first problem we must overcome is ignorance. Most Christians when they see the A=6 B=12 C=18 numeric alphabet just dismiss it as one of many possibilities. Even though they see the match pattern results, they assume these patterns will occur by many alphabet keys and languages. Not so, this is the only English numeric alphabet that these patterns will emerge. It cannot be done using any other alphabet key progressively or randomly.

    The program offered as a free download here proves this last statement. This by using the scientific method and mathematical laws to isolate the above numeric key by processing all of them for each inputted word. No scientist, no theologian and no one on earth can disprove this statement above.

    Most of you have already seen the result totals on the calculator page, but do you really understand what your looking at? Let look at this in simple mode to make sure. Please do not be offended by the simplicity of what I say next, I'm just trying to make sure everyone reading understands this correctly. The alphabet below is a progression of six alphabet beginning at six. A=6, this is the starting value, now lets add 6 more 6 + 6 = 12, this determines the value of the next letter which is B. B=12 12+6 = 18 which determines the value of C. and so forth C=18+6=24 D=24+6=30 E=30 In other words: 6,12,18,24,30,36 and so on.

    A=6 B=12 C=18 D=24 E=30 F=36 G=42 H=48 I=54 J=60 K=66 L=72 M=78 N=84 O=90 P=96 Q=102 R=108 S=114 T=120 U=126 V=132 W =138 X=144 Y=150 Z=156

    The name Jesus by this alphabet key has a total value of 444. How do we know? Simple addition of course using the alphabet key above. Lets check it to make sure, look at the alphabet above and find the value of J. The value of J is 60, alright what is the value of E? The value of E=30, now find the values of the other letters in Jesus' name. Then add them up to find the total.


    J =060
    E =030
    S =114
    U =126
    S =114
    -----------
    ...444 Total

    OK that was easy. Lets now do a couple of silly words like coffemate and snowcone. Yes I like them both. We will use the same alphabet key above as we did for Jesus.

    A=6 B=12 C=18 D=24 E=30 F=36 G=42 H=48 I=54 J=60 K=66 L=72 M=78 N=84 O=90 P=96 Q=102 R=108 S=114 T=120 U=126 V=132 W =138 X=144 Y=150 Z=156


    C =018
    O =090
    F =036
    F =036
    E =030
    E =030
    M =078
    A =006
    T =120
    E =030
    ---------
    ...474


    The total for coffemate = 474, not 444 as in name of Jesus, but the total of 474

    A=6 B=12 C=18 D=24 E=30 F=36 G=42 H=48 I=54 J=60 K=66 L=72 M=78 N=84 O=90 P=96 Q=102 R=108 S=114 T=120 U=126 V=132 W =138 X=144 Y=150 Z=156


    S =018
    N =090
    O =036
    W =036
    C =030
    O =030
    N =078
    E =006
    ---------
    ...648 Total

    The total for snowcone = 648, not 444 as in the name of Jesus, but the total of 648

    Lets now do the words snow, coffee, mate, cone

    A=6 B=12 C=18 D=24 E=30 F=36 G=42 H=48 I=54 J=60 K=66 L=72 M=78 N=84 O=90 P=96 Q=102 R=108 S=114 T=120 U=126 V=132 W =138 X=144 Y=150 Z=156

    S =0i8
    N =090
    O =036
    W =036
    ---------
    ...426 Total

    A=6 B=12 C=18 D=24 E=30 F=36 G=42 H=48 I=54 J=60 K=66 L=72 M=78 N=84 O=90 P=96 Q=102 R=108 S=114 T=120 U=126 V=132 W =138 X=144 Y=150 Z=156

    C =0i8
    O =090
    F =036
    F =036
    E =030
    E =030
    --------
    ...240 Total

    A=6 B=12 C=18 D=24 E=30 F=36 G=42 H=48 I=54 J=60 K=66 L=72 M=78 N=84 O=90 P=96 Q=102 R=108 S=114 T=120 U=126 V=132 W =138 X=144 Y=150 Z=156

    C =030
    0 =090
    N =078
    E =030
    ---------
    ...222 Total

    A=6 B=12 C=18 D=24 E=30 F=36 G=42 H=48 I=54 J=60 K=66 L=72 M=78 N=84 O=90 P=96 Q=102 R=108 S=114 T=120 U=126 V=132 W =138 X=144 Y=150 Z=156

    M =078
    A =006
    T =120
    E =030
    ---------
    ...234 Total

    Alright, have we got the idea now? Ok so what's the point. The point is this: the only word that calculated to 444 in the above group was the name Jesus. Now to clarify the point I wish all to understand we must first do a little more addition. Using the same alphabet key find the total values of the words:

    Gospel, Cross, Messiah, Jewish

    Yep, they are all 444. Alright now what are the odds of these five words Jesus, Gospel, Cross, Messiah and the word Jewish having the same total 444 value using only one numeric alphabet key? What are the odds of the match values of the word groups shown on the calculator page?

    Friends I hope this has helped, if your still confused pray asking God for help in Jesus' name. Jesus made this very simple to understand, in fact the word simple has a total value of 444. If you still don't get it then its most likely because your thinking it should be harder than it really is. Also some people get too focused on what is the significance of the number 444. There is no real significance of 444. It is the fact that five words which can be directly related to each other all have a same total value by one alphabet key. This is is what is most significant, the pattern. The 444 total is the number Jesus picked to reveal a language design within these English codes. Jesus used the relationship of his name, his cross, his title and his heritage to reveal it. So don't get side tracked on what 444 means because that is not the point, the point is to reveal the design and pattern God put in the English. Praise Jesus for his glory in this, for only he alone could author such a thing.

    To see the 906, 888, 666 and 360 match patterns using this same alphabet key, select the calculator link below. To learn more about or how to download the free software that isolated the A=6 B=12 C=18 code, click the software info link.

    Software Link - Free download

    http://www.geocites.com/iamthekey_2000/biblecodesoftware.html

    Online Calculator & 666 result findings

    http://www.geocites.com/iamthekey_2000/calculator.html

    The Main page

    http://www.geocites.com/iamthekey_2000/prophecy.html
     
  2. Jesusmyfriend

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    Ah, I goofed up. The page I cut and pasted above originally had tables to show the examples. Somehow I got the numbers goofed up. It was to late for me to edit it, so I could not correct it. See this page for the correct numbers. Sorry

    http://www.geocities.com/iamthekey_2000/simple.html
     
  3. Rakka Rage

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    COMPUTER = 666
     
  4. BrianT

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    Hey Jesusmyfriend,

    Are your initials S.B.? Or are you just promoting this for him? ;)

    I've had discussions with the creator of these codes before. There is some fundamental flaws in the overall system.

    Actually, I *don't* dismiss it as one of many possibilities. In fact, by picking that numbering scheme, the system is effectively rigged! First, consider that the two numbers you're looking for are 444 and 666. To get these numbers to even show up as results, both 444 and 666 have to be evenly divisible by the "base" number. Let's see which numbers between 1 and 20 work:

    1 - yes
    2 - yes
    3 - yes
    4 - no
    5 - no
    6 - yes
    7 - no
    8 through 20 - no

    Base numbers above 20 are going to result in final totals way too large to fall within the 1-1000 range. So effectively, to even get 444 and 666 to show up, you only have 4 choices for a base number: 1, 2, 3 and 6. Next, consider that to fall within a total of 1-1000, the smaller the base means the more different totals you can arrive at, while the larger the base, the fewer different totals you can get: 1000/1 = 1000 different totals, 1000/2 = 500 different totals, 1000/3 = 333 different totals, 1000/6 = 167 different totals (i.e. the "odds" of landing on 444 or 666 are MUCH higher).

    Picking '1' as your base will result in the totals for words being very low (usually less than 100), so if you're looking for 444 and 666, you definitely don't want 1. With a base of 2, your totals are still quite low, and the odds of landing on 666 are low (1:500). '3' is better, but '6' gives by far the best chances of of 'hit' on 444 or 666, with odds of 1:167 for each individually, or 1:83 combined. Considering that the English language has about 350,000 words (according to the American Hertige Dictionary), that means with the base-6 system, you'll have roughly 4200 words that will either hit 444 or 666. Pick any other base, and that number takes a HUGE drop, or simply goes to zero. The base-6 system doesn't make the "Jesus Codes" amazing, it in fact does the exact opposite, by rigging the system.

    I too have written "Jesus Code" software when S.B. first promoted this stuff a couple years back, although mine is aimed at debunking the codes. Maybe I'll polish it up a little and make it available for download for those that are interested.

    I don't mean to burst your bubble, but anyone with even a slight understanding of statistics (how they *really* work, not minipulated to appear to be amazing) can demonstrate the inherent problems with the "Jesus Codes".

    Brian
     
  5. Jesusmyfriend

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    Hi Brian T,

    I don't know a S.B but there is a Scott906 over there that claims he is the author. As far as your comments are concerned let me just post a cut and paste from his site. I got an appointment in about 20 minutes and I think this may answer your question.

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    Software Operations - How it works & how it was developed

    Now lets talk about the program which found the English Gematria Bible Codes and how it operates it's calculations. This program is called: "UNCOVERING THE ANTICHRIST, the language calculation program. The following below is the basic nuts and bolts of how this program was developed and how it works.

    First of all to start with there are exactly 443,556 possible whole number gematria alphabet systems in the English Language for determining 666 solutions. There are no more and there are no less. Anymore than these and you will step into randomness and numerology. To stay within mathematical laws for determining 666 solutions for words by the English language you must do two main things.

    (Requirement # 1) If you are going to try isolate any one alphabet gematria that shows a clear pattern for 666 totals among inputted words, then you must first find out how many possible alphabet combinations exist. This within the standards required by the scientific method as well as mathematical laws. If you don't then someone will always question if you did all possibilities during your research. So the research must be exhaustive and complete to prove anything. As you develop the software you must ensure it is designed to do all possible combinations for each word that is inputted through it. It cannot be biased and it cannot have runtime errors or array glitches. It must process each word through all 443,556 combinations the same way each time for each word.

    All right then, so how do we know how many gematria combinations exist using the scientific method? That's easy ! Since we are not dealing with infinite possibilities this is simple. The formula is simply 666 squared. Since the number 666 is far from infinite, we need only to calculate within the parameters of A=1 up to A=666 for the base value variable as well as the progression variable.

    If you have a word or name of two letters or more, a gematria alphabet using a base value of A=666 and a progression of 1 (A=666 B=667 C=668) then this would cause any word, even the word Abba, to have a total beyond 666. In other words you will have reached the calculation ceiling for 666 gematria solutions using the scientific method. However, there are 443,555 other gematria alphabets below that ceiling other than the A=666 B=667 C=668 used above.

    Let me explain this a little more. Since we are using two variables, (a base value and a progression value) we know we must square it to find all possible progressive gematria solutions. The way we determine this is by squaring it at the highest possible base and highest possible progression value that we are doing research for. In this case the highest numeric progression and highest sum allowed for our research is 666. Since 666 squared is simply 666 x 666 we know this equals 443,556. This is how we know how many numeric gematria alphabets exist in the English language. There are exactly 443,556 gematria alphabets in the English. Since we must stay within the Koine Greek usage for the word Psephizo as shown in Rev. 13:16-18 then by using the above format we have done this, both mathematically and biblically.

    Psephizo {psay-fid'-zo} 5586;

    Count, (to count with pebbles, to compute, calculate, reckon 2)

    Continuing...

    Ok we now understand how many gematria alphabets exist in the English, but how do you apply this to the software to make it work? How does this software determine the calculation arrays from an inputted word from a computer keyboard and how do we know it is doing the calculations correctly? Good questions. The second question is easy to answer so I will answer it first. You would simply check the results given by the program manually. Following below is the basic method in the simplest terms on how the program works. This should help answer the first question.

    When developing the software the first thing we had to determine was an input method for the English character sets. Obviously we have 26 characters or letter encryption positions to start with in the English. So we had to design the program to encrypt the inputted letters numerically at the smallest possible whole number encryption. This is A=1 B=2 C=3 D=4 and so onto Z=26. Now the program must take the English word or name inputted for calculation and then total it by the smallest gematria values. Then the program would need to save that total in it's memory buffer at this smallest encryption. From there the program would begin processing it through the 443,556 gematria arrays.

    An Example: (ABC) the total value of ABC at the smallest gematria is 6. The letter character positions 1-26 of the alphabet are also assigned at this time. Another example: If I entered the word CAT, it's total value at this same lowest encryption would be 24 ( C=3 A=1 T=20 ) or (3+1+20= 24) The character positions for the letters C is 3, A is 1, and T is position number 20 in the alphabet. The letter character positions remains constant after inputting a name or word, but the base and progression arrays increase in step form increments as the inputted word proceeds through the gematria alphabet arrays.

    Now we must develop the calculation arrays in a computer usable format. A simple visual demonstration of this that most will understand can be represented by a giant box of progressive numbers. Since we know how many gematria alphabets exist in the English let us imagine a giant box of 443,556 dots. Each of these dots representing a base value numeric encryption for A, then the numeric progression increase from the letter A. Since we are using two variable progressions we know this is 666 squared or 443,556 gematria alphabets total. Here is an small example of that box.


    Base value A= 1-666

    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15..to 666
    2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
    3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14
    4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13
    5 6 7 8 9 10
    6 7 8 9
    /
    Progression 1-666 etc. (666 Squared) or 666 x 666 = 443,556

    Imagine how big this box would be if we did all 443,556 of them. 1-666 moving in one direction, and 1-666 in the other. Imagine also having to do these calculations by hand. Here is a good example for explaining how long it would take to manually do these calculations. Above in the example place your finger on any number moving left to right and select a value for the letter A, now select any number from moving top to bottom to select a progression value. If you had selected the number 10 for the letter A and then selected the number 5 your gematria alphabet values would be A=10+5 B=15+5 C=20 or (A=10 B=15 C=20 D=25 E=30 ect.) You would now select a word that you would like to calculate by this alphabet. This to see if it will total to 666. The next step would be to calculate this same word by each of the other 443,555 gematria alphabets which exist. You must calculate all of them for each word before you can look for designs or patterns. Many words and names can be calculated to 666 by numerous different alphabets, but very few produce any clear patterns. But you must do all 443,556 of them for each word before you can look for patterns or prove anything. Imagine doing this by manual calculations. It would take months for each word. Don't worry you can download this program for free and it will do all the calculations for you in nano seconds for each processed word. Lets continue now discussing the program's operations.

    After you have set up the arrays in a program format you must then set up the IF question at the end of the arrays calculations memory buffer. Example: IF a inputted word can be calculated to 666 by any of the 443,556 alphabet arrays save results and write to data file. IF inputted word does not total 666 do not save results. This will cause the program to save only those results where a gematria solutions were found for that inputted word.

    When using this portion of the program you will notice most words will have many possible alphabet solutions for 666 by many different gematria alphabets. Some as many as 300 for 1 inputted word or name. However even though there are many solutions for many words, these solutions have very few patterns. In fact if you don't spend some real quality time looking for the patterns among the thousands of solutions a person would see, most would probably give up.

    So what we did during our research for pattern is we started focusing on words, rather than on names. We started with words that could be related to attributes of the evil one, or sin. Then we tried words that could be related to the buying and selling mark in relationship to the Revelation 13:16-18 prophecy. After doing this a pattern began to emerge rather quickly. We found that the words (listed futher down the page) not only totaled 666, but they did it by the same exact gematria alphabet. Then to add to this amazing pattern to our surprise we found that almost all of them had only one possible solution to be calculated to 666. This is significant because most words have multiple solutions. So when you consider the fact that there are 443,556 possible gematria combinations and then consider the odds that these words which can be related to each other prophetically and then having only one possible result, the same result. Well, it's mind boggling to say the least. The odds of this happening by chance is impossible.

    After finding this pattern we just started using A=6 B=12 C=18 alphabet key and we started finding the other 444, 888, 906 patterns. These words groups could be directly related to each other in a different way as you will soon see. One of these groups is a 444 total for the words Jesus, Cross, Gospel.

    Keep in mind brothers and sisters if God had not hid a pattern in the English to be found then this program would have only found thousands of 666 alphabet solutions, but it would have done so without revealing any real match patterns. If this had been the case then this same program would have proved without a doubt that there was no single gematria alphabet in the English. It would have also proved that God had hid nothing in the English to be found.
     
  6. Jesusmyfriend

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    I guess I should post this as well it comes from the calculator and results page:

    http://www.geocities.com/iamthekey_2000/calculator.html


    The Jesus Code Letter Values

    A=6 B=12 C=18 D=24 E=30 F=36 G=42 H=48 I=54 J=60 K=66 L=72 M=78 N=84 O=90 P=96 Q=102 R=108 S=114 T=120 U=126 V=132 W =138 X=144 Y=150 Z=156

    Lustiger= 666

    (Cardinal Lustiger is deemed by most to be the next Pope)

    Sorceries = 666

    Necromancy=666

    Channellers=666

    Witchcraft=666

    Horrors=666

    Treacheries=666

    Slaughter=666

    Corrupt=666

    False Market=666

    Stubborn=666

    Unruly=666

    Insanity=666

    Mark of Beast=666

    Illusion=666

    Book of the Dead=666

    Son of Sin=666

    A Perdition=666

    Geneticist=666

    Vaccination=666

    Quarrels=666

    Lustful=666

    Other Interesting 666 totals
    New York=666 (United Nations?)

    Waco Texas=666 (David Koresh?)

    A Branch Davidian=666 (David Koresh's group)


    Almost 666 but not quite

    Osama bin Laden = 660

    Adolf Hitler = 660


    Group 1


    Jesus = 444

    Yshua = 444

    Messiah = 444

    Cross = 444

    Gospel = 444

    Jewish = 444

    Joshua = 444

    Obedient = 444

    Increase = 444

    Forgave = 444

    English = 444

    Gematria = 444

    Parent = 444

    Church age = 444

    Fruit = 444

    Chariot = 444



    Group 2


    Jesus is Lord = 906

    Jesus Christ = 906

    Son of the Lord = 906

    Lord's Prayer = 906

    Holy Spirit = 906

    Lord of Hosts = 906

    Through Love = 906

    Unconditional = 906

    Healing Promise = 906


    Group 3


    Omnipresent = 888

    Messiah Jesus = 888

    Coming Truth = 888

    A Holy Truth = 888

    King of the Sabbath = 888

    The King Jesus = 888

    Finished Cross = 888

    The Lion of Judah = 888

    Scriptures = 888

    The Trinity = 888

    The Lord's Time = 888

    The House of God = 888

    The Doings of God = 888


    It should be noted that the Koine Greek value of Jesus's name by the Greek values is 888. This is not debated by anyone it is a well established fact for centuries.


    Group 4


    Grace = 204

    Free = 204

    One = 204


    Group 5


    Holy = 360

    Pure = 360

    Word = 360

    Believe = 360

    Helps = 360


    Group 6


    Faith = 264

    Hope = 264

    Abraham = 264

    Godhead = 264
     
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    The list tends to show how open this sort of thing is to manipulation. Why "A Perdition" and not merely "Perdition"? Apparently, to get those extra "six points" from the "A." Why a singluar "necromancy" but plural "sorceries," "horrors," etc.? Well, because they didn't add up the other way. "Omnipresent" is good, but "omnipotent" is ignored? Same reason.

    As an aside, if Cardinal Lustiger -- who's nearly 77 years old -- is the next Pope, I'll eat my shoes (grilled with a nice barbecue sauce, of course).

    (My personal favorite for the job would be Cardinal Arinze, whose name adds up to a nice safe 438. Of course, I could call him "A Arinze" and get him into that nifty "444" group, I guess.)

    Mark H.
     
  8. BrianT

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    Yes, Mark, you have hit on another problem with the Jesus Codes (and any Bible-related codes in general) - interpretation and application. Suppose these systems were genuine (which I can't believe for one second), what are the rules for interpretation? Who has the authority to make the rules, and supply the interpretation? These systems, even if they were genuine, are too subjective to be of any value.

    Not to mention numerology under a disguise is still numerology. [​IMG]
     
  9. Jesusmyfriend

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    Brian T,

    Did you even read how the author isolated the code? You know that program is offered for free on his site. Its tiny to, only 61 kb. Just a 5 second download.

    Here is part of his other page on the Antichrist's future deception using the number 777. This in the attempt to prove he is not evil and to mock any Christian trying to reveal him as the Antichrist using the A=6 B=12 C=18 system.

    http://www.geocities.com/iamthekey_2000/sevens.html

    EXCERPT:

    Below is the progression of 7 delusion alphabet key the antichrist will attempt to deceive with to discredit anyone revealing the 666 calculation of his name by the English Bible Codes. By using this progression of 7 delusion alphabet, instead of the English Bible Codes, the words insanity, stubborn, illusion and witchcraft will now all calculate to 777, instead of 666. So as you see, God has allowed an argument for those that reject Jesus Christ. Whoever the future antichrist is, his name will calculate to 666 by the English Bible Codes. Just as the words insanity, stubborn, witchcraft do currently.

    The Antichrist will use the progression of 7 delusion alphabet to create a 777 calculation of his name in order to discredit anyone using the English Bible Codes revealing the 666 calculation of his name. He will also use this delusion in the effort to prove that this 777 calculation of his name proves that he is the messiah. Of course the Antichrist will not tell the world by using this delusion alphabet key that the words like witchcraft, insanity, lustful, no longer calculate to 666 by but will now calculate to 777 by that system. Here is the progression of 7 delusion alphabet below.

    The DELUSION ALPHABET KEY of the Antichrist

    A=7 B=14 C=21 D=28 E=35 F=42 G=49 H=56 I=63 J=70 K=77 L=84 M=91 N=98 O=105 P=112 Q=119 R=126 S=133 T=140 U=147 V=154 W=161 X=168 Y=175 Z=182

    Calculate these words again by this delusion alphabet of the future antichrist. These words will all now calculate to 777. Ask Jesus Christ to help you understand by the power of the Holy Spirit.

    Necromancy = 777

    Stubborn = 777

    Unruly = 777

    Insanity = 777

    Witchcraft = 777

    Lustful= 777

    Mark of Beast = 777

    Illusion = 777

    Book of the Dead = 777

    Son of Sin = 777

    A Perdition = 777

    A message board discussion from the past and a hypothetical situation


    The following text below is part of a conversation that occurred in times past at a Christian message board. I am responding to numerous people in this discussion, but especially to a Christian named Sandy. I have removed her last name to maintain her privacy. The following below is my response to her and others.

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    Sandy,

    Someday a man will rise and his name will calculate to 666 by the A=6 B=12 C=18 system. It does not really matter who it is because Jesus made it clear no human hand will be able to stop the Antichrist. In fact in 2nd Thess chapter 2 God makes it clear he sends the antichrist to all those who reject Jesus. This so they will all be condemned for worshiping the antichrist as God.

    Having said that some might wonder why even bother calculating 666, even if A=6 B=12 C=18 is correct, if God is going to send this delusion. Well, first of all, because it is commanded in Revelation to do so. But the main reason is because of the 777 deception of the antichrist, which he will attempt to use to counter any 666 calculation of his name by the A=6 B=12 C=18 system.

    The antichrist is not worried about the 666 calculation of his name Sandy, he is not worried about A=6 B=12 C=18, he already knows the average Christian knows almost nothing about it. But he is worried about those that might understand his future argument against a 666 calculation of his name. This argument will be 777 manipulation alphabet key.

    Sandy, from here I will use a hypothetical name that calculates to 666. This is only for example purposes. The name I will use for an example is: Ginsraaaaasik. I know what a funny name, but it works well for example purposes and calculates to 666. Now, let's pretend for a moment that this Ginsraaaaasik is a real person and that he is the Antichrist. Lets also say that what I have presented, is in fact the system Jesus wants us to use uncover the antichrist. I say that for the sake of argument, you know I believe it is. In fact I know it is.

    From here lets say some Christian group, or groups starts a campaign against Ginsraaaaasik and accuses him of being the antichrist publicly, using the A=6 B=12 C=18 alphabet. Lets say also it even grows into a giant national debate. This debate even ending up on CNN, Fox news and all the rest.

    This is why I say on my page not to accuse any world leader of being the Antichrist. The Antichrist wants that to happen, so long as the Christian groups doing it does not know about the 777 manipulation alphabet key.

    Now, let us say these Christians get very fanatical and because of their accusations towards Ginsraaaaasik it causes a great stir of controversy in this country. Because of this Ginsraaaaasik eventually agrees to do a national media interview to speak out about it. While on the program he land blasts all Christian groups for doing this and then argues with them based on the math and alphabet key they present as proof. He then asks the Christians what they consider a holy number. The Christian then replies, the number 7. Ginsraaaaasik then says, well then how would you define the number 777. The Christian replies, well I would consider it symbolic to a Holy Trinity. Then Ginsraaaaasik says, "Based on your evidence, response and reasoning, if you think I am evil and the Biblical antichrist based on the numeric alphabet key of A=6 B=12 C=18 and the 666 total of my name, then would it be reasonable to believe I am good if I could give you an alphabet key similar to yours that proves it? The Christian replies, How?

    Ginsraaaaasik then says to the Christians, take your A=6 and replace it with A=7, now add by 7 instead of 6 for your alphabet key. A=7 B=14 C=21 ect. See Mr. Christian now my name calculates to 777, so much for your theory of me being evil. Of Course Ginsraaaaasik will not tell anyone by this system the word witchcraft and lustful will now calculate to 777 instead of 666. Of course that is what the future antichrist is counting on. He does not want anyone to understand his future 777 argument.

    Sooner, or Later someone will cause a mortal wound to Ginsraaaaasik thinking he is the antichrist, but Ginsraaaaasik comes back to life as scriptures declare. Now Ginsraaaaasik uses the A=7 B=14 C=21 to prove he is the Messiah, even God in the flesh.
     
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    Not all of it, no. I read enough to get the gist. I have a background in computers and mathematics. All Scott has done is manipulate statistics, and wrap some theology around it. It's bunk. It's numerology (and really, really lame numerology at that).

    Don't you get it? That's just the nature of the system! If you start with '3', all those words calculate to 333. If you use '5', they all calculate to 555. If you started with '1', they all add to 111. This is not amazing, this is Grade 3 mathematics.

    Again, who gets to make the rules, who gets to interpret? By what authority?

    Some people need to read the plain text of the Bible more, and stop worrying about "hidden messages" under the text.
     
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    No Brian I think your missing it. The software proves there is only one way to calculate most of those words to 666. Half a million alphabets per word and computer and insanity and most of the others only one possible solution for 666.

    Once that is established then it's easy to understand. Until you verify that you will foolishly call it what it isn't.

    One alphabet, one system and the tool to prove it.
    Where is that program that disproves this Brian. I sure hope it does all possiblities otherwise your the one doing numerology. It's easy to tell you have not read the pages or downloaded the program.

    The reason I know this is because you mentioned "hidden messages under the text" That the Torah Codes not these codes. What did you do see codes in the title of the post and then just start assuming these were the Torah ESL codes. Notice the Tile of the post, it says NOT THE TORAH ELS Codes. Forget it Brian, just keep talking it will become clear to those paying attention that you're not.

    Km

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    Actually, I do get it, and that's one of my points. The very fact that the vast majority of other numbering systems don't even have 666 as a possible total, combined with selective manipulation of the ones that do, simply show the system is rigged. It's NOT amazing that 666 shows up in this system, because out of half a million numbering schemes, it's got to happen sooner or later! Statistics, my friend. Learn some. Out of half a million schemes, you can find one that will give you any results you want. That's doesn't make the results amazing, that only means you have half a million possibilities to find any results you're looking for.

    Pretend there was a lottery where there were 500,000 possible tickets. Scott buys all 500,000 tickets. When the lottery is drawn, he throws out all 499,999 losing tickets and then says "Aren't I amazing, I have the winning ticket! What are the odds?!?" :rolleyes:

    You see, it's not amazing that only one system gives the results he's looking for. For he has decided *before hand* what results he wants, and he evaluates all possible combinations until he finds a system that gives him those results. Ooooh, exciting, amazing. Whoopdie-ding.

    It's near completion. What is does is this: Let's you specify a starting point for A, and a multiple. (e.g. 1 and 6, or 3 and 4). It then reads a dictionary file, and looks for 444 and 666 totals across the entire dictionary, spitting out all words that fit those totals. I plan on adding functionality that let's the computer cycle through starting points and multiples, so it can analyze all numbering systems against the dictionary.

    My theory, based on raw probability, is that the numbering system Scott is using (start of 1, mulitples of 6), will give as many "good" words that add to 666 as it does "bad" words. Same for 444. If (and when) it does this, that brings us back to the question you have been avoiding: who gets to interpret the results? By what authority?

    Yes, I realize this. I was speaking in generalities and had the Torah codes in mind when I said that, for the Torah codes suffer from the same basic fundamental flaws as Scott's system does. But the main point of the quote still applies to Scott's system: God gave us plain messages - why waste time with numerology nonsense trying to find hidden meaning through numbering systems?

    Put another way: Do you think if God had a message for us, he'd put it in a form like this? Do you really think Scott, with his obviously limited and faulty understanding of statistics, has discovered divine messages through numerical manipulation? Do you even know anything about Scott?

    Did you know he used to (and likely still does) post on discussion groups under different names, saying he "found" interesting articles on the internet? (they were his own articles! wow, now that's talent!) Did you know he used to be a regular at a different board that I also was a regular at, and after a disagreement with the moderator over something, Scott *prophesied* that God would shut that forum down by a specific date, and the moderator would not be able to reopen the board until he apologized and accepted what Scott was saying? (BTW, the date came and went a long time ago, the forum is still open, and the moderator still thinks Scott is a twit). And that's just the tip of the iceberg. [​IMG]
     
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    Brian I don't know anything about this so called forum or Scott other than what I have seen in the last two weeks. What's the name of the forum this all happened at?

    It seems you have and axe to grind. As far as the math goes your still wrong. You think the program is manipulating alphabets randomly. Example the word David has no possible 666 solutions using the English within this programs mathematical laws. There are numerous other words that have no solutions.

    You don't get it, it does them all for each word Brian. The results are based on the design God put in the language. The program reveals the design.
    Jesus Cross Gospel and the 444 pattern is easy to see except for a modern day pharissee. Never mind I won't waste anymore of your time, or should I say my time.

    Whatever problems you had with Scott, even if its true to start with I think I can see why. {snip}. You have as much love and concern for prophecy as an ant does for the next piece of sand you walk over. Then you slander at least from my point of view. {snip}

    Really I heard it through the grapevine who knows it was you Brian. See what am I supposed to believe, am I just take your word for it.


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