The Just shall live by Faith !

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    The Promise that the Just shall live by Faith is a Promise that everyone Christ died for shall live by Faith.

    Let me explain why ! Scripture says in Rom 5:19

    19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

    This obedience of one, I understand it, is Christ's Obedience unto Death, even the Death of the Cross ! Phil 2:8

    8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

    Now, by this, Christ's obedience unto Death, many shall be made Righteous !

    Folks when scripture says something shall be done, it is a Divine Promise of God, so, we can count on it that all whom Christ represented when He died shall be made Righteous.

    Now, the word Righteous here is the greek word dikaios and is translated in the NT as the word Just no less than 33 times.

    So, Rom 5:19 can also read without violating grammar like this

    Rom 5:19

    19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made Just.

    And so the Promise reads as thus: Hab 2:4

    Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

    Gal 3:11

    But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

    Again, the word shall is used to denote a Promise of God !

    So, all those Christ died for, and by His Death of obedience made Just, all such made, shall live by Faith !

    Simply said, Christ's Obedient Death is the cause of one living by Faith ! So now we should better understand what the writer of Hebrews wrote here Heb 12:2

    2Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

    I challenge anyone to prove this conclusion unscriptural and not true by scripture !
     
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    Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

    Abraham's salvation was based on his faith in God. Once he was saved by faith, then he lived a life of faith also. They are two different things. Both must be recognized. Abraham was saved by faith, and then went on doing works of faith as a believer, such as offering Isaac up as a sacrifice--an act of faith.

    But what does the Scripture say: Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
    He was made righteousness on account of his faith in Christ.
    --This is the fact that you deny.
     
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    You deny that those Christ died for SHALL live by Faith ?
     
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    1. All believers are justified by faith.
    2. All believers shall live by faith.
    But before you live by faith you must first be justified by faith.
     
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    Everyone Christ died for shall live by Faith ! Do you deny that ?
     
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    The contextual meaning of the phrase "the just shall live by faith" is in reference to the gospel and therefore receiving the revelation of righteousness found in the gospel by faith.

    Rom. 1:16 ¶ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
    17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

    The phrase "from (Gr. ek) faith to [Gr. eis] faith restricts reception of that revelation of righteousness in the gospel to faith alone as the first prepositon "ek" ["from"] makes faith the source out of which it is received and the second preposition "eis" ["to"] terminates the limits of reception of that revelation upon faith. Hence, this gospel revelation of righteousness of Jesus Christ is confined to faith alone.

    Last, the phrase, "as it is written" demands that Paul is quoting this Old Testament passage to reinforce the fact that the gospel revelation of righteousness is restricted to faith alone and thus the "just" meanng those who are "JUSTIFIED" or those who obtain LIFE, that is LEGAL LIFE, do so by faith alone. Hence, this phrase has nothing to do with justification before the world began nor living by faith or the Christian life, but it has to do with justification by faith in the gospel which obtains LEGAL and POSITIONAL eternal life. The context is life promised by the gospel through faith in the righteosness of Jesus Christ which is the righteousness revealed "THEREIN" or in the Gospel Paul preached (vv. 15-17). The gospel that called upon the hearer to "believe" the gospel.


    The same is true where Paul quotes this same phrase again in Galatians 3:10-12:

    Gal. 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
    11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
    12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.


    Again, note the context in which this explanatory phrase is found. It is found in the context of “THE LAW” and why justification is not by the Law rather by faith. Note verse 12 that proves this is a contrast between justification by law keeping versus by faith. Again, it is faith in the gospel that introduces this whole context (Gal. 3:6-8) not justification before the world began.
    Justification under the law requires CONTINUOUS NON-STOP DOING OF ALL COMMANDMENTS found in the “book of the Law” – v. 10

    In the Sight of God no man can be justified by the works of the law because no man can obtain eternal life under law because that requires not stop doing of every command without failure (v. 12b). Justification is by faith and the law is not “of faith” – (v. 12a).

    It is in this context of justification by works versus by faith in the gospel that the phrase “the just shall live by faith” occurs as the concluding explanatory contrast to justification by the works to the law. Again, it means “the JUSTIFIED” are the ones who “LIVE” or obtain LEGAL POSITIONAL eternal life rather than LEGAL POSITION CONDEMNATION by the law and they obtain JUSTIFIED LIFE by or through faith in the gospel as did Abraham (vv. 6-8).

    Look at verse 11 and it should be read and understood as follows"


    11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The justified shall live by faith.

    It is contextually a contrast between justification by doing the works commanded in the entire book of the Law or simply believing in the gospel message that Jesus provided all the righteousnes needed to be saved or justification by faith in the gospel. Before God who are "the just" or justified? Before God who are those who whom the Law declares to have eternal life? They are those who are justified "by faith" in the righteousness provided by, declared by the gospel, and revealed in the gospel to be found in Jesus Christ alone.
     
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    You cannot explain away Truth. I have shown from scripture that everyone Christ died for is made Just BY HIS OBEDIENCE OF DEATH Rom 5:19, and the Promise is, the JUST shall Live by Faith. You can deny it all you want, it is not changing !

    And so the Promise reads as thus: Hab 2:4

    Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

    Gal 3:11

    But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

    Again, the word shall is used to denote a Promise of God !

    So, all those Christ died for, and by His Death of obedience made Just, all such made, shall live by Faith !

    Simply said, Christ's Obedient Death is the cause of one living by Faith ! So now we should better understand what the writer of Hebrews wrote here Heb 12:2

    2Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

    I challenge anyone to prove this conclusion unscriptural and not true by scripture !
     
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    What a Joke! You had to jerk the text out of its context and apply it to texts outside its context in order to establish your so-called truth! That is called EISGESIS!

    If you were honest with the text (and you are not) you could not pervert it as you do.

    Here is a challenge for you. Put the phrase back into its context in Romans 1:16-17 and attempt to justify your interpetetion by the context! Of course that is something you know nothing about because it requires honest expositon of the context with the phrase. Try it for a change!
     
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    However, lets complete this thought with what James says regarding the faith of Abraham.
     
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    No, the joke is on you, because no matter what you say, the bible Teaches that the Just SHALL [FUTURE TENSE] live by Faith, implying that there was a time when the JUST [made so by Christ"s Death] did not live by Faith !

    All the Church of Christ was Justified soley by Christ's Blood alone Rom 5:9 simply because He bore their sins Isa 53:11

    He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

    But all the many here are not born into this world at the same time as sinners, but at different times and years , but because they have been Justified because one bear their sins already, they shall live by Faith !
     
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    No its on you, because you deny the fruit of Christ's Death, that it alone ensures that all those He made Just by His Death shall live by Faith !

    Rom 1:16-17

    16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

    You can deny it all you want, I am going to keep bringing it to you, best believe it !
     
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    What a joke! You don't even believe the verses you quote! The verses you quote condemn you! The verses you quote demand he is speaking of the gospel and faith in the gospel.

    Look at the words that begin verse 17 "for therein" and ask yourself what is he referring to? "Therein" what? The answer is like the nose on your face as verses 15-16 repeatedly tell you - "the gospel"! He is not referring to justification before the world began but justification by faith in the gospel! Go back and learn to read!
     
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    Joke this Rom 1:16-17

    16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
     
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    You need to read what you are quoting! Here I will help you by some questions:

    1. What is it he is not ashamed of in verse 16?

    a. The gospel?
    b. or eternal justification?

    2. What is the power of God to salvation to everyone that beliveth in verse 16?

    a. The gospel?
    b. or eternal justification?

    3. What does "therein" refer to in verse 17 "therein" what?

    a. The gospel?
    b. or eternal justification?

    4. Hence, what is the contextual basis of justification here?

    a. The gospel?
    b. or eternal justification?

    I do not believe even breaking it down in simple bite size bits will help you because your conscience is seared by false doctrines (1 Tim. 4:1-2).
     
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    I already read it, years ago, and read it all the time.

    The Gospel is sent to all whom Christ died and made Just, and God reveals to them their Righteouness, and they live by Faith in what has been revealed to them by God through the Gospel.

    So again, you cannot change it Rom 1:16-17

    16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

    You are just a false teacher, and God is exposing it !
     
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    Answer the questions IF YOU DARE! You want everyone to answer your questions but you don't answer the questions that expose your heresies! ANswer the questions! You are jumping and jerking and pitting scripture against scripture to support your false doctrines and that is the MO of those whose consciences are seared (1 Tim. 4:1-2).

    1. What is it he is not ashamed of in verse 16?

    a. The gospel?
    b. or eternal justification?

    2. What is the power of God to salvation to everyone that beliveth in verse 16?

    a. The gospel?
    b. or eternal justification?

    3. What does "therein" refer to in verse 17 "therein" what?

    a. The gospel?
    b. or eternal justification?

    4. Hence, what is the contextual basis of justification here?

    a. The gospel?
    b. or eternal justification?

    I do not believe even breaking it down in simple bite size bits will help you because your conscience is seared by false doctrines (1 Tim. 4:1-2).
     
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    I am not answering any of your questions, because you reject the simple Truth of scripture that Rom 1:16-17

    16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

    You deny that Christ's Death ensures that !
     
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    Typical. Requires others to answer him, but won't answer them.
     
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    Read my previous post and this also. Abraham believed God because God called him. Abraham was a sheep of God. God imputed the righteousness of God by the faith that would be manifested when the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world became obedient unto death even the death of the cross.

    Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
    How did it become manifested?
    Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

    It became manifested when Jesus the Christ died.-----Compare.

    Gal. 3:23 But before the faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. (The Faith had yet to be revealed.) 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster unto Christ, (Were kept under the law, Even Jesus came under the law, see Gal4:4 Until Jesus was obedient unto death.) that we might be justified by faith. (Of Jesus then we would no longer be under the law our schoolmaster but under grace.)
    25 But after that the faith is come, (After Jesus was obedient unto death, shed his blood.) we are no longer under a schoolmaster. By grace, Gal. 1:1 God the Father raised Jesus the Son from the dead, Acts 2:33 gave Jesus the promise of the Holy Spirit, Titus 3:6 Which he God the Father then shed abundantly on us through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

    Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

    The faith of Jesus shown to you from the word of God above.

    When this Spirit was shed on you it was the Romans 8:15,16 Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

    Gal. 3:26 YLT for ye are all sons of God through the faith in Christ Jesus, (The Holy Spirit puts us in Christ and also Christ in us.) 27 for as many as to Christ were baptized did put on Christ;29 and if ye [are] of Christ then of Abraham ye are seed, and according to promise -- heirs.

    You will inherit whatever it has been or will be, that Christ and Abraham inherit.
     

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