The KJV’s respect for God’s Words

Hello franklinmonroe

You said.......

That was an interesting observation; I have never really thought about it like that.
I think my response will be, that the KJV, is “my Bible”:
(Because I don’t read Gk or Hb, and don’t have access to them anyway.)
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You also asked........

Another great question.

I have come to this conclusion, because for about 300 years or so, 99% of the Christians on earth that spoke English, believed that it was God’s Word(100% accurate),

And it was during that same time, that God wonderfully blessed His Church.

Now compare that time, to the last 120 years or so, and you see how getting away from the KJV, has effected the English speaking Church.
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Next you added........

Now this is silly.

One Greek word, may translate to 3 or 4 English words.

No, I am simply standing on faith. Not faith, in those who made accurate copies of the originals; and not faith, in those who translated those copies into English.

But faith in the LORD; That He has seen fit, to preserve His Word for “me”.
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I wouldn’t trust a man, any farther than I could throw him.

And I think that every other English Bible available today, has been messed with by man, much more than the old KJV.

 

Hi everyone

Before I start responding to your questions, let me make some observations.

I have been here for over a year, and I have learned some interesting things, in that time.
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I used to post on this part of the BB,(Bible Versions/Translations), but over and over again, I discovered, that every time that I started to prove my point, about the KJV, that the thread would mysteriously be CLOSED and soon REMOVED.

About 6 months ago, I realized that whoever runs the “General Baptist Discussions” part of this forum, has more integrity, and will let the discussions continue and does not remove a thread, simply because it may not be popular.

I have said all of this, because I just learned that this thread was moved from “General Baptist Discussions”, to the “Bible Versions/Translations”, because it is about Bible versions.

So I am on notice, that when my arguments start to strike a chord, that this thread will be shut down and removed.
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And it seems as though, that my last post #41, is starting to cause trouble, so I had better hurry up.

 

Hi Rippon

You said.......

So your saying, that you believe that those Christians back in the 1700's, had the same doubts about God’s Word as most Christians do today.
(Do you documentation for that.)
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Next you ask..........

You know the answer to this question, as well as I do. There are more lukewarm Christians in America today, than there has ever been.
(And the proof is in the dramatic drop in attendance, that Bible believing Churches are experiencing.)

Now you will say, “how do I know that the Bible version choice, has anything to do with it. (Maybe it’s because Church buildings are air conditioned now or something.)

Note: This “air conditioned” point, was made by someone else years ago, and I just borrowed it.
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Next you ask........

You must use the NASB, and that just fine; but to answer your question, here is what it says about itself..........

Originally produced in 1971, the NASB has been widely embraced and trusted as a literal English translation. Today, the updated NASB offers increased clarity and readability for greater understanding and smoother reading while maintaining accuracy. The NASB speaks with fresh power to each generation, to give wisdom that leads to salvation so that men and women may serve Christ for the glory of God.

Every time the Bible is “updated”, for reasons other than spelling or typo’s, it is messed with.

 

Hello preachinjesus

You said.......

Don’t be sorry.
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I said.......
“I have come to this conclusion, because for about 300 years or so, 99% of the Christians on earth that spoke English, believed that it was God’s Word(100% accurate),”

And you said........

First what does the year 1935, have to do with anything:
I was talking about the years 1611 to 1911.

Sure enough there were other English Bible’s around, during this time;
(But the KJV, was the best selling English Bible, and some of the GREATEST REVIVALS the world has ever known, took place during this period.

So, in what way, is what I said “not true”.
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Next you quoted me........
“And it was during that same time, that God wonderfully blessed His Church.”

And you said.....

What’s so bad about “inter-Church persecution”:
A lot of it goes on right here, and it doesn’t bother me all that much.
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Next you said...........

This may be a “bad argument”, but it mine.

As you have said.......”The KJV is a supremely important text”.
Well I will take it a step further.....
“The Bible, is supremely important!”

Without question, “the Bible” has been being changed(updated), more in the last 100 years, than it was in the previous 300 years.
And what has all this updating done for us.

(Most of the people on this forum, use at least 2 or 3 different Bibles, in an attempt to find out exactly what God actually said.)
When 200 years ago, people knew what God’s Word said, and that solid foundation, made a defiance in their lives.

No, I am not saying.......”Post hoc ergo propter hoc”.
What I am saying, is that the foundation of our faith(the Bible), is messed with, it has an effect upon the Church.
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Next, I said........
“No, I am simply standing on faith. Not faith, in those who made accurate copies of the originals; and not faith, in those who translated those copies into English.

And you said........

As I said, my faith is in the LORD.
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Next I said........
“But faith in the LORD; That He has seen fit, to preserve His Word for “me”.

Then you said........

Hebrews 4:12
“For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
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Next I said.......
I wouldn’t trust a man, any farther than I could throw him.
And I think that every other English Bible available today, has been messed with by man, much more than the old KJV.

Then you said........

Your entire argument, ignores the Holy Spirit.

If my study of God’s Word, brings me into communion with the LORD, by the person of the Holy Spirit, am I still trusting in man?

I think where you are missing the point, is in the fact the Bible, is a supernatural document. It is just paper & ink, but the Words found within it have supernatural power.

I am not talking about magic; I am talking about the power of the Gospel message.
(That God has promised to preserve for all eternity.)

Now you talk about the Bible as “a book”; That is at the whim of copyists and translators.
But I am talking about the Bible as God’s Word, that is being providentially protected by God.

 

Hello robycop3

Sorry for the delay in getting back hereI have a lot going on).
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You started off talking about......

And you ended by saying.....

[personal attack deleted]
(Just like more and more of today’s Christians are developing.)
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The first “goof” you point out is.......

I have never claimed to have all the answers, but the reason that word Easter was used in Acts 12:4, is because Tyndal, in his translation of the Bible into English in 1526, used this word instead of passover, and therefore the translators of the KJV, in 1611 decided to use it also.

Now, the question still remains unanswered:
Why would Tyndal choose to use this word in the first place?
And then why would the translators of the KJV, decided to follow his lead?

Certainly, they were men of God, who fervently prayed and sought the Lord’s will(after all this is the Bible they were translating). Yet this is the word, they ended up using.

I am not sure of the answer. But it could have been part of the LORD’s plan; For all those Bible haters, who would look for an excuse to reject the Bible;
So He decided to give them one.
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The next “goof” you point out is.........

In this statement, you prove my point:
1 Timothy 6:10 KJV
“For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.”

1 Timothy 6:10 NASB
“For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.”


While it is true, that these two versions say “roughly” the same thing, there are subtle differences.

While verse statement in the KJV, points out a clear and present danger and warning;
This same verse in the NASB et.al, states the danger as being a little more vague.

Clearly for those Christians, who have the pet sin of covetousness: Their choice of Bibles would be, the NASB.
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The point, that you are making with your post, is a clear demonstration, of a loss of respect for the words found in the Bible.

The Bible is GOD’S WORD, not man’s, and God is obligated to preserve His Word for us;
So the Bible should never be referred to as, “man made”.