The lacking quality of humility these days

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  1. evangelist6589

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    One thing I love about Dr. Erwin Lutzer, Charles Stanley and such is that they hold themselves accountable to the scriptures. Unfortunately some of these newer younger types do not do this. You send them a email, and just question what they teach and many of them will block your email, ban you from their FB page, etc.. This is not right, but its how they operate because they do not want accountability. They want everyone to think they are the worlds best thing God has given to man, and if you hold them accountable to what they teach they will ignore you, block you, or ban you for doing so. I have never received this type of reaction by people seasoned and gifted in the faith whom are humble.

    Its very sad but its what you get from arrogant self-centered types. I never detected this kind of spirit in Charles Stanley or Erwin Lutzer. However among the younger types I often detect this type of an arrogant spirit.

    Anyone got any books on humility?


    John
     
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    Unfortunately, the one book on Humility that I have read (Humility: True Greatness) was written by a man (CJ Mahaney) who has now had to temporarily step down from his leadership role because of charges of pride and abuse of authority. I read the book before all this happened, and thought it was good, but I think we can learn 2 lessons from this:

    1. Every man, no matter who humble, is subject to pride, especially when given leadership of a large church or orginization.

    2. Never, NEVER, EVER write a book on humility! It's just not worth the scrutiny or you life that will follow. :)
     
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    Nothing by David Jeremiah, Charles Stanley, or Erwin Lutzer? Well I looked at a book of mine and a chapter is on this subject in a Jerry Bridges book. So I got it. He also is a humble author and minister.
     
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    I would say you can safely read ANYTHING by Jerry Bridges and be sure you are getting solid Biblical truth.
     
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    I must agree, the younger pastors are full of themselves. They somehow thing because they are "called" they are somehow infallible. It makes me wonder who and what they have been taught?
     
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    I'm not so certain that just because one sent an email to someone questioning them about their beliefs, and that since the recipient(s) blocked a person, or didn't respond, or whatever, means and concludes the recipient(s) are filled with pride. I believe this to be an unfortunate accusation and assumption. Could such an attitude in itself toward them be prideful?

    It could possibly mean they didn't like the tone or the way the email came across, and possibly felt it was wise to not respond.
     
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    I don't see it as much about age as about spiritual and emotional immaturity. I know lots of older pastors (and I am one) who as they say 'can strut while sitting down' or when you're talking to them are looking around for somone more important than you to speak to.

    There comes a point at which maturity says that I am not the sole spiritual guide to orthodox doctrine or correct practice. Spiritual maturity also understands that even if someone is wrong in an area, they are not wrong in every area. And in those we can have fellowship. Obviously, I am not talking about major, fundamental doctrines. But to some immature preachers and believers, every difference is a matter of heresy.

    The best book on maturity for me is Philippians. Where Paul talks about people who are trying to cause him pain by preaching the Gospel to show him they could do it without him. Their message was right, but their motive was wrong. Paul's mature attitude said that he was just glad the Gospel is being preached. Then he talked about having the mind of Christ that showed in being a servant.
     
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    I've got one. The book of Philipians.

    Phil 2
    3 Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself. 4 Let each of you look out not only for his own interests, but also for the interests of others.


    Wasn't that easy? You didn't have to go out and buy a book by a human author and waste time reading it. :)



    Here are more:
    Proverbs 11:2, 13:10, 15:33, 16:5, 16:18, 18:12, 29:23
     
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    Does that mean we dont need to read Baptist Board? :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    Well said, well said.
     
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    Well this individual sure airs his opinion like he is the best thing since bread and butter. Others have tried to hold him accountable but he is always right on everything. Also not responding is another way of saying that they do not have a good argument and or are above correction. Thats the way it can come across.
     
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    No offense here, but seeing how you've conducted yourself on controversial issues here your tone is combative and unrelenting as it comes across your keyboard. Just saying...

    Besides, what ministry would want to get unsolicited email and facebook posts bashing them from someone not associated with their ministry? Just asking.

    When I served on staff at First Baptist Atlanta we had to field a lot of calls of people who virulently disagreed with Dr. Stanley. Several were people who called almost once or twice a month. They wanted to draw you into an argument over the most mundane things. It was not a good stewardship of our time having to argue with them.

    I'd encourage you to go and be around the people you desire to criticize through your keyboard. You'll probably find out that they are wonderfully humble people. Maybe you're misinterpreting their words and attitude.

    I do, it's by DA Carson. The title is A Model of Christian Maturity: An Exposition of 2 Corinthians 10-13. Basically he posits that the heart of a maturing Christian is one which seeks after humility above all things. You can find it here:
    http://www.christianbook.com/model-...de=WW&netp_id=437455&event=ESRCG&view=details
     
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    We have two or three of this type pastors here on the BB. Just look around, they are not hard to locate.
     
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    No. It sounds to me that you're just opinionated and judgmental toward them, or this person. I won't join in on slamming them (him?) prematurely, without due reason, and assumptively as you and others have done within this thread.

    Others have attempted to hold him accountable? :laugh: Why is he accountable to you via emails, and others? He's accountable because you emailed him, and he is all these other things because he didn't respond? Please. You're being ridiculous.

    They (he) didn't answer you, so to you that makes them prideful, arrogant, or whatever other assumption that comes into your mind? That's foolish pride in action right there.

    Not answering doesn't mean they don't have a "good argument" or that they are "above correction." Instead, it could mean they are wise.

    It's starting to sound like it's you that is struggling with pride and an assuming judgmental spirit.

    None of what you've accused them of in your story logically concludes what you've assumed. Rather it is unfounded approximation on your part, coupled with pride.

    It looks like more of an "Wow, look at me, they didn't answer me, I sent them questions, they didn't answer me, I'm naming them unteachable and proud, I'm right, they are wrong, since they didn't asnswer me, I am certain they are proud, and arrogant." Way too much you in this thing.
     
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    Exactly what I was thinking. How humble is it to question someone else's ministry in a public fashion like facebook, and then accuse others of being arrogant for being offended?
     
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    Are some of them in this thread?
     
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    :thumbsup:

    Just wait, soon he'll turn his guns on some within this thread...oh wait, nevermind, I'm too late with my prophecy. :laugh:
     
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    See, I think this is a shining example of humility and the proper way for a "famous" pastor to deal with things. He's not so proud to say "They are dumb and don't know what they are talking about" but instead, he's stepped down rightly and is approaching this whole thing in a very godly way, IMO. I think in light of what has happened, I'd be MORE likely to read his book.
     
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    I'm sure that even Joel Osteen would accuse people who question him to be "argumentative" and combative. I am finding that very often when someone is convicted or they do not want to fess up will they bring in this kind of an argument.

    One thing a former pastor of mine taught me was to be biblical and to question people whom are not teaching things biblically. Sure some of them will get proud and accuse me of being argumentative or whatever, but thats to be expected. Some will get the persecution complex syndrome and character assassination complex. But the bottom line is sound doctrine and solid theology. The Bereans were wise and of noble character and they tested to see if what Paul said was true.

    David Jeremiah once said that if he is not teaching the Bible to hold him accountable. When I preach I welcome people to question me and hold me accountable.


    John


     
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    No, the bottom line is that you're prideful, judgmental, and wrong. Nothing wherein you quoted me will ever hit home with you. Why? Because you're filled with pride. Even George Whitfield, when accused of maybe being a hypocrite, humbled himself and went to search out his heart.

    Your entire judgment and accusations are unfounded. Your conclusions are borne of pride and assumption. So are those of others who join you in your unfounded attack.

    Carry on.
     
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