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donnA · May 23, 2008

In a recently closed thread (reached 30pages, automatically closed), women were told they needed to obey O.T. laws. I challenged the author of such statement on whether or not he in fact did the same, obeyed O.T. laws.
Noting that there are 613 O.T. laws, I wonder which he obeys and does not obey. After all he expects women to obey them.
Here are a few for him, wonder if he is obeying these.

Read (study and meditate on) the Book of the Law. (Deuteronomy 6:7)
Teach the Book of the Law to our children. (Deuteronomy 6:7)
Bind the Law upon our hands. (Deuteronomy 6:8)
Bind (write) the Law upon our minds. (Deuteronomy 6:8)
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This is the LAW , not the whole bible, or even the whole O.T.

Gather for the reading of the Law every seventh year. (Deuteronomy 31:10-13)
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That would be the entire LAW.
The continual burnt offering (Tamid sacrifice) must be offered twice daily. (Numbers 28:2-6)
The grain and drink offering must be offered twice daily. (Numbers 28:2-8)
An additional sacrifice must be offered every Sabbath. (Numbers 28:9-10)
An additional sacrifice must be offered on The New Moon. (Numbers 28:11-15)
An additional sacrifice must be offered every day of The Feast of Unleavened Bread (Passover). (Numbers 28:18-24)
The Omer offering of the first barley must also be brought on the first day of The Feast of Unleavened Bread (Passover) and must be waved by the priests on the second day of the Feast. (Leviticus 23:10-14)
An additional offering must be offered at The Feast of Weeks (Pentecost). (Numbers 28:26-30)
Two wave loaves of bread baked with salt must be offered on The Feast of Weeks (Pentecost). (Leviticus 23:17)
An additional sacrifice must be offered on The Feast of Trumpets. (Numbers 29:1-6)
An additional sacrifice must be offered on the Day of Atonement. (Numbers 29:7-8)
The Atonement Service must be performed on the Day of Atonement. (Leviticus 16:2-34)
An additional sacrifice must be offered every day of The Feast of Tabernacles. (Numbers 29:12-34)
An additional sacrifice must be offered on The Last Great Day. (Numbers 29:35-40)
Three times a year keep a Feast to Yahweh: at The Feast of Unleavened Bread, at The Feast of Weeks (Pentecost), and at The Feast of Tabernacles. (Exodus 23:14-17)
The Feasts of Yahweh must be kept only at the Place Yahweh chooses, at the sanctuary of Yahweh. (Deuteronomy 12:5-7, 14)
Every household must appear before Yahweh and rejoice at the Feasts. (Deuteronomy 16:14)
The Passover Lamb must be killed on the fourteenth day of Abib between the two evenings. (Numbers 28:16)
The Passover Lamb must be eaten on the night of the fifteenth of Abib.(Exodus 12:8-11)
Those who are unclean from a dead body or away on a journey (stranded, detained, or imprisoned) must kill the Passover Lamb in the Second Moon. (Numbers 9:10-11)
The Passover in the Second Moon must be held according to all its ordinances. (Numbers 9:11-12)
The silver trumpets must be sounded at Feast times, New Moons, and also in times of tribulation, to call the congregation together. (Numbers 10:2, 9-10)
All animals to be sacrificed must be at least eight days old. (Leviticus 22:27)
All animals to be sacrificed must be without blemish. (Leviticus 22:21)
All offerings must be salted. (Leviticus 2:13)
The Law of the burnt offering. (Leviticus 1:2-17)
The Law of the sin offering. (Leviticus 6:25-30)
The Law of the trespass offering. (Leviticus 7:1-2, 7)
The Law of the peace offering. (Leviticus 3:1-17)
The Law of the grain offering. (Leviticus 2:1-16)
If the congregation sins ignorantly, a sin offering must be brought. (Leviticus 4:13-21)
If a person sins ignorantly, a sin offering must be brought when he learns of his sin. (Leviticus 4:27-35)
If a person is in doubt as to whether he has sinned in regard to any of the holy things, a suspensive guilt offering must be brought. (Leviticus 5:15-19)
A sin offering must be brought for stealing, swearing falsely, and sins of a like nature. (Leviticus 6:1-7)
The sin offering must be according to one's means. (Leviticus 5:7-13)
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Anyone who touches or eats the carcass of an unclean animal becomes ritually unclean. (Leviticus 11)
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unclean animals
pig= pork
rabbit
catfish
marlin
swordfish
abalone
cla
crab
lobster
shrimp
scallop
qyster
aligator and crocodile, both popular foods in your part of the country
frog, as in frog legs

You must consecrate and proclaim the Jubilee year. (Leviticus 25:10-12)
On the Day of Atonement in the Jubilee year, the shofar must be sounded and all Hebrew slaves set free. (Leviticus 25:9-10, 13)
In the Jubilee year all the land is to be returned to its appointed owners. (Leviticus 25:23-28)
In a walled city the seller has a right to buy back a house within a year of the sale. (Leviticus 25:29-30)
The years until the Jubilee must be counted. (Leviticus 25:8)
To be fit for consumption, clean animals must be slaughtered. (Do not eat what dies of itself or is killed by wild beasts.) (Deuteronomy 12:21)
The blood of slaughtered clean animals must be poured on the ground and covered with earth. (Leviticus 17:10-16)
Examine the meat of animals to make sure it is permitted for consumption. (Leviticus 11:2-8)
Examine fowl to make sure they are permitted for consumption. (Deuteronomy 14:11-19)
Examine locusts to make sure they are permitted for consumption. (Leviticus 11:20-23)
Examine fish to make sure they are permitted for consumption. (Leviticus 11:9-12)

Remove all leaven from all your property by the fifteenth of Abib. (Exodus 12:15)
On the fifteenth day of Abib we must teach our children the story of The Exodus from Egypt. (Exodus 13:8)
We must eat unleavened bread from the fifteenth through the twenty-first of Abib. (Exodus 12:18)
The first day of The Feast of Unleavened Bread (Passover) is a Sabbath of rest and a Holy Convocation. Cooking may be done on a Feast Day Sabbath, but not on the weekly Sabbath. (Exodus 12:16)
The seventh day of The Feast of Unleavened Bread (Passover) is a Sabbath of rest and a Holy Convocation. (Exodus 12:16)
We must count fifty days-from the day after the First Holy Day Sabbath of the Feast of Unleavened Bread (The Count of Omer) to The Feast of Weeks. (Leviticus 23:15-16)
The Feast of Weeks (Pentecost) is a Sabbath of rest and a Holy Convocation. (Leviticus 23:21)
The Feast of Trumpets is a Sabbath of rest and a Holy Convocation. (Leviticus 23:24)
The Day of Atonement is a day of complete fasting. (Leviticus 16:29-31)
The Day of Atonement is a Sabbath of rest and a Holy Convocation. (Leviticus 23:27-32)
The First Day of the Feast of Tabernacles is a Sabbath of rest and a Holy Convocation. (Leviticus 23:34-35)
The Last Great Day is a Sabbath of rest and a Holy Convocation. (Leviticus 23:36)
Dwell in booths (succahs-temporary dwellings) during The Feast of Tabernacles. (Leviticus 23:42)
A Succah must be built before The Feast of Tabernacles. (Leviticus 23:40)
Sound the shofar on The Feast of Trumpets. (Numbers 29:1)

The poor must be taken care of according to Yahweh's Laws. (Deuteronomy 15:8, 11)
The corners of a field that is reaped must be left for the poor. (Leviticus 19:9)
The gleanings of a field that is reaped must be left for the poor (Leviticus 19:9)
The forgotten sheaves of a field that is reaped must be left for the poor. (Deuteronomy 24:19)
Any remaining olives or grapes must be left for the poor. (Deuteronomy 24:20-21)
Any fallen grapes must be left for the poor. (Leviticus 19:10)
All males must be circumcised, newborn males on the eighth day. (Genesis 17:10-12, 14)
Should a man die childless, his brother must either marry the widow. (Deuteronomy 25:5-6)
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Do not sacrifice children to any false god. (Leviticus 18:21)
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reminds me of those FLDS children, they've been sacrificed for false teachings, to the god of s*xual pleasure.

Do not eat any unclean animal. (Deuteronomy 14:7-8)
Do not eat any unclean fish or seafood. (Leviticus 11:10-12)
Do not eat any unclean fowl. (Leviticus 11:13)
Do not eat any bread in celebration of the Feast until the Omer Offering has been presented to the priests on the fifteenth of Abib. (Leviticus 23:14, 10)
Do not eat any parched grain in celebration of the Feast until the Omer Offering has been presented to the priests on the fifteenth of Abib. (Leviticus 23:14)
Do not eat of the fresh green ears in celebration of the Feast until the Omer Offering has been presented to the priests on the fifteenth of Abib. (Leviticus 23:14)
Do not eat the fruit of young fruit trees for the first three years of growth. (Leviticus 19:23)
Do not eat the produce from the planting of mixed seed. (Deuteronomy 22:9)
Do not eat or drink anything on the Day of Atonement. (Leviticus 23:29, 32)
Do not eat leavened bread during The Feast of Unleavened Bread. (Exodus 13:3)
Do not eat any leavened product during The Feast of Unleavened Bread. (Exodus 12:20)
Do not eat leavened bread with the Passover Lamb. (Deuteronomy 16:3)
No leavened bread is to be found in any of our possessions during The Feast of Unleavened Bread. (Exodus 13:7)
No leavening is to be found in any of our possessions during The Feast of Unleavened Bread. (Exodus 12:19)

Do not demand repayment of a loan after the seventh year. (Deuteronomy 15:2)
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donnA · May 23, 2008

"For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, 'CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO PERFORM THEM.' Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, 'THE RIGHTEOUS MAN SHALL LIVE BY FAITH.' However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, 'HE WHO PRACTICES THEM SHALL LIVE BY THEM.' Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us -- for it is written, 'CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE' -- in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. (Galatians 3:10-14)
"But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons." (Galatians 4:4-5)

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dan e. · May 23, 2008

I was good with them until I got to the circumcised on the eighth day!! My son was circumcised on his 2nd day!!!:laugh:

gb93433 · May 23, 2008

Consider the source.

donnA · May 23, 2008

what do you mean source? The source if the bible. And this thread is in repsonse to a recent thread here.

LeBuick · May 23, 2008

I guess I'm only good for 612... I must have my pork and lobster!!!

gb93433 · May 24, 2008

donnA said:

what do you mean source?
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The person who wrote such a thing.

donnA · May 24, 2008

ok, thanks

Salty · May 24, 2008

donnA said:

ok, thanks
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Thank goodness we are no longer under the law.

Hmm, I wonder if thats where the IRS got its inspiration:laugh:
If I am not mistaken, its up to 17,000 pages

menageriekeeper · May 24, 2008

But the point is, since the Bible tells us all of scripture is to be used for instruction, which of these laws do we follow? Any of them? All of them?

Do we get to pick out the ones we like and disregard the ones we don't?

Do we get to tell others that they must not love the Lord because they choose different laws(or none) to follow than we did?

Or are we free from the law because the Law has already be fulfilled in the personhood of Christ?

Hmm, I wonder if thats where the IRS got its inspiration:laugh:
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Leave it to the gov to ruin a good idea! :laugh:

Cutter · May 24, 2008

menageriekeeper said:

But the point is, since the Bible tells us all of scripture is to be used for instruction, which of these laws do we follow? Any of them? All of them?

Or are we free from the law because the Law has already be fulfilled in the personhood of Christ?
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No one was capable of keeping the law. That's why faith in Christ and the only One that lived a perfect, sinless life is the end of the law for current believers.
As stated in Romans 10:4 For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Even though we are no longer under the law I think we should strive to keep the original Ten Commandments.
Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Amy.G · May 24, 2008

Cutter said:

Even though we are no longer under the law I think we should strive to keep the original Ten Commandments.
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Even the Sabbath?

Christ gave us two laws. These are the laws we are to keep.

JerryL · May 24, 2008

I find it amazing how preachers today try to keep the Christians under laws that were never givin to us or for us. We were never under the ten commandments except where they agree with the natural laws that are written on our hearts or givin to us in the NT. The NT is very clear on what Christians are to do and not do. Moses was a teacher of the Jews.

DR. MARTIN LUTHER; 1525: The Law of Moses Binds Only the Jews and Not the Gentiles. Here the Law of Moses has its place. It is no longer binding on us because it was given only to the people of Israel. And Israel accepted this law for itself and its descendants, while the Gentiles were excluded.LUTHER: To be sure, the Gentiles have certain laws in common with the Jews, such as these: there is one God, no one is to do wrong to another, no one is to commit adultery or murder or steal, and others like them. This is written by nature into their hearts; they did not hear it straight from heaven as the Jews did. This is why this entire text does not pertain to the Gentiles. …LUTHER: But we will not have this sort of thing. We would rather not preach again for the rest of our life than to let Moses return and to let Christ be torn out of our hearts. We will not have Moses as ruler or lawgiver any longer. Indeed God himself will not have it either. Moses was an intermediary solely for the Jewish people. It was to them that he gave the law.
LUTHER: We must therefore silence the mouths of those factious spirits who say, "Thus says Moses," etc. Here you simply reply: Moses has nothing to do with us. If I were to accept Moses in one commandment, I would have to accept the entire Moses. Thus the consequence would be that if I accept Moses as master, then I must have myself circumcised, wash my clothes in the Jewish way, eat and drink and dress thus and so, and observe all that stuff.LUTHER: So, then, we will neither observe nor accept Moses. Moses is dead. His rule ended when Christ came. He is of no further service.
LUTHER: That Moses does not bind the Gentiles can be proved from Exodus 20:1, where God himself speaks, "I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage." This text makes it clear that even the Ten Commandments do not pertain to us. For God never led us out of Egypt, but only the Jews.
LUTHER: The sectarian spirits want to saddle us with Moses and all the commandments. We will just skip that. We will regard Moses as a teacher, but we will not regard him as our lawgiver - unless he agrees with both the New Testament and the natural law. Therefore it is clear enough that Moses is the lawgiver of the Jews and not of the Gentiles. He has given the Jews a sign whereby they should lay hold of God, when they call upon him as the God who brought them out of Egypt. The Christians have a different sign, whereby they conceive of God as the One who gave his Son, etc.
LUTHER: Again one can prove it from the third commandment that Moses does not pertain to Gentiles and Christians. For Paul [Col. 2:16] and the New Testament [Matt. 12:1-12; John 5:16; 7:22-23; 9:14-16] abolish the Sabbath, to show us that the Sabbath was given to the Jews alone, for whom it is a stern commandment. The prophets referred to it too, that the Sabbath of the Jews would be abolished. For Isaiah says in the last chapter, "When the Savior comes, then such will be the time, one Sabbath after the other, one month after the other," etc. [Isa. 66:23]. This is as though he were trying to say, "It will be the Sabbath every day, and the people will be such that they make no distinction between days. For in the New Testament the Sabbath is annihilated as regards the crude external observance, for every day is a holy day," etc.
LUTHER: Now if anyone confronts you with Moses and his commandments, and wants to compel you to keep them, simply answer, "Go to the Jews with your Moses; I am no Jew. Do not entangle me with Moses. If I accept Moses in one respect [Paul tells the Galatians in chapter 5:3], then I am obligated to keep the entire law." For not one little period in Moses pertains to us. LUTHER: Question: Why then do you preach about Moses if he does not pertain to us? Answer to the Question: Three things are to be noted in Moses. I want to keep Moses and not sweep him under the rug, because I find three things in Moses. In the first place I dismiss the commandments given to the people of Israel. They neither urge nor compel me. They are dead and gone, except insofar as I gladly and willingly accept something from Moses, as if I said, "This is how Moses ruled, and it seems fine to me, so I will follow him in this or that particular."
LUTHER: When these factious spirits [peasants] come, however, and say, "Moses has commanded it," then simply drop Moses and reply, "I am not concerned about what Moses commands." "Yes," they say, "he has commanded that we should have one God, that we should trust and believe in him, that we should not swear by his name; that we should honor father and mother; not kill, steal, commit adultery; not bear false witness, and not covet [Exod. 20:3-17]; should we not keep these commandments?" You reply: Nature also has these laws. Nature provides that we should call upon God. The Gentiles attest to this fact. … The Gentiles have it written in their heart, and there is no distinction [Rom. 3:22]. As St. Paul also shows in Romans 2:14-15, the Gentiles, who have no law, have the law written in their heart.
But just as the Jews fail, so also do the Gentiles. Therefore it is To honor God, not steal, not commit adultery, not bear false witness, not murder; and what Moses commands is nothing new. For what God has given the Jews from heaven, he has also written in the hearts of all men. Thus I keep the commandments which Moses has given, not because Moses gave the commandment, but because they have been implanted in me by nature, and Moses agrees exactly with nature, etc.
LUTHER: But the other commandments of Moses, which are not [implanted in all men] by nature, the Gentiles do not hold. Nor do these pertain to the Gentiles.
Now this is the first thing that I ought to see in Moses, namely, the commandments to which I am not bound except insofar as they are [implanted in everyone] by nature [and written in everyone's heart].
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Amy.G · May 24, 2008

JerryL said:

I find it amazing how preachers today try to keep the Christians under laws that were never givin to us or for us. We were never under the ten commandments except where they agree with the natural laws that are written on our hearts or givin to us in the NT. The NT is very clear on what Christians are to do and not do. Moses was a teacher of the Jews.
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And the same people that say we should keep the 10 commandments, also say that we aren't under the law.

EdSutton · May 24, 2008

Amy.G said:

Christ gave us two laws. These are the laws we are to keep.
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What are you referring to when you say the above? I'm not sure I'm following you, here.

Ed

Thinkingstuff · May 24, 2008

Law

Jesus summarized into 2 points. Love God and love your Neighbor. Every law hangs on these two points. It's not complicated. James even broke it down to following the basic of the Jewish tenets for Goyim. Why go any futher?

EdSutton · May 24, 2008

Thinkingstuff said:

Jesus summarized into 2 points. Love God and love your Neighbor. Every law hangs on these two points. It's not complicated. James even broke it down to following the basic of the Jewish tenets for Goyim. Why go any futher?
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Explain, in a little more detail, here, please. I'm not sure I'm reading the same verses you are, apparently.

BTW, since I hadn't gotten around to it, Welcome to the BB.

Ed

Amy.G · May 24, 2008

EdSutton said:

What are you referring to when you say the above? I'm not sure I'm following you, here.

Ed
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Maybe I should have said commandments.

Mat 22:37 Jesus said to him, "'You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.'[fn4]
Mat 22:38 "This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 "And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'[fn5]
Mat 22:40 "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself

Thinkingstuff · May 24, 2008

EdSutton said:

Explain, in a little more detail, here, please. I'm not sure I'm reading the same verses you are, apparently.

BTW, since I hadn't gotten around to it, Welcome to the BB.

Ed
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Thanks. Amy got the verses.
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Thinkingstuff · May 24, 2008

EdSutton said:

Explain, in a little more detail, here, please. I'm not sure I'm reading the same verses you are, apparently.

BTW, since I hadn't gotten around to it, Welcome to the BB.

Ed
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Just in case you missed my point about James Acts 15:19-20 "wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them which form among the gentiles (goyim) are turned to God: but that we write unto them that they abstain from pollutions of idols and from fornication, and from things strangles, and from blood."
Otherwords from practices that were offered to false Gods.
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