The Life of Faith

The Bible doesn't teach prosperity and health. You misuse the scriptures.

Congrats on turning God into Santa Claus. He must be proud.

Word of faith is a toxic belief system. And if "fastest growing" is your criteria for blessed, become a Muslim.

 

I'd like to invite everyone's attention to Matthew 8, which recounts several instances where Jesus healed people--a leper, the centurion's servant, Peter's mother-in-law.

V. 17 When the even was come, they brought unto him many who were possessed by devils; and he cast out the spirits with his word, and he healed all that were sick.

Let's set the scene. It is in Capernaum (v.5) and in the evening (v. 17)

V. 18 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities and bare our sicknesses.

Matthew, led by the Holy Spirit, applies Isaiah 53:4 to the events in Capernaum, in the evening.

The fulfillment of Isaiah 53:4 was during Jesus life, not his death. Isaiah 53:4 was fulfilled before Jesus died on the cross.

There is no question that Isaiah 53 points to the crucifixion and all that is implied there. But this one verse (v 4) is directly referenced to the events in Matthew 8.

 

Would you be kind enough to post your high school English grades?

 

I thought heresy was not allowed on the BB? If ME'ers were banned, WoF'ers should follow suit.

 

The W of F heresy also makes God weak and also equal with Satan.

Here's how: If we speak with our mouths positive things, such as wealth and healing, then God can operate and give us those things we confess. But not unless or until we do.

If we speak negative things, then Satan operates and brings negative things into our lives. He, like God, is waiting on us to speak.

W of F teaches that you will have what you say. If you don't say it, you don't get it.

It places both God and Satan under our command.

We can order God around, in other words. Praying is not necessary. Asking God for blessings is not necessary. All that's required is that we simply tell God what we want. We are not to say "if God wills", because it's already God's will for us to be rich and healthy We are to simply place our order.

Even God must have faith. When he created the heavens and the earth, he spoke "faith-filled words." What he spoke came into existence because he had faith that it would. We have the same privilege, since we are gods ourselves, because we are made in his image.

If you have enough faith, you can also begin to bark like a dog or laugh uncontrollably, a sign of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit.

See where all this leads?

 

He didn't need schooling. He has the word of faith.

Cheers,

Jim

 

Golfjack, I invite you to respond to my post (#25). It may not be worth your time but I think we'll all benefit from your views. I'll take the time to read them if you'll take the time to post them.

 

I'm sure that golfjack believes I have mischaracterized the WF movement. Since not all WF leaders teach exactly the same thing, it is possible does he not embrace everything they teach.

I am going to cite some statements by WF preachers, and let them characterize the doctrines of their own movement.

Kenneth Copeland: God operates by spiritual law and is obliged to obey the faith-filled commands and desires of believers. (Laws of Prosperity, pp. 60-62)

Copeland again: "As a believer, you have a right to make commands in the name of Jesus. Each time you stand on the Word, you are commanding God to a certain extent, because it is His Word" (Our Covenant with God, p. 32)

Robert Tilton: "We make our own promises to do our part, then we can tell God, on the authority of His word, what we would like Him to do. That's right, you can actually tell God what you would like His part in the Covenant to be" (God's Miracle Plan for Man, p. 36)

Kenneth Hagin "Man...was created on terms of equality with God, and he could stand in God's presence without any consciousness of inferiority.... He made us the same class of being that He is Himself.... He lived on terms equal with God.... The believer is called Christ, that's who we are; we're Christ" (Zoe: The God Kind of Life, pp. 35-36, 41

Morris Cerillo "The whole purpose of God was to reproduce Himself. ...you're not looking at Morris Cerillo, you're looking at God, you're looking at Jesus" (The End Time Manifestation of the Sons of God, Audio Tape 1, Sides 1 &;2).

Paul Yonggi Cho: "You create the presence of Jesus with your mouth...he is bound by your lips and your words. Remember that Christ is depending on your spoken word to release his presence" (The Fourth Dimention, Vol.1 p. 83)

Copeland again: "Faith is power force. It is a tangible force. It is a conductive force." (Force of Faith p. 13)
"Words activate the force. The force is activated by words. Faith-filled words put the law of the Spirit of life into operation (p. 18)

I'll stop here, because this is getting a little long. We can deal with other aspects of WF in later posts.

 

Here's an exerpt from an article from Biblical Discernment Ministries

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/holylaugh.htm

I've seen this on TBN a couple of times. Each time, Rodney Howard-Brown was preaching. Or trying to amid all the noise. On the front row was Richard Roberts, unable to stop laughing.

Other WF leaders who have endorsed the experience are Kenneth Copeland, Marilyn Hickey and Pat Robertson, Benny Hinn, Oral Roberts have participated.

To golfjack: I'm curious if you endorse holy laughter. When you reply to my recent posts, let us know what you think about it.

Of course, it's not necessary to agree with all those WF leaders. But it is necessary to appeal to scripture for belief and practice, not just the experience.

 

Making sure that you can see this edited post. Your original post was post #26.
DHK

 

Here are some more doctrines of the WF movement, which I also call the PC (Positive Confession) movement.

1. Jesus Christ died spiritually, and had to be reborn (born againZ) spiritually because he had become a lost sinner. E. W. Kenyon taught that he took on Satan's nature, and Satan took control of Jesus and took him to Hell. Kenyon held that Jesus' physical death on the cross was not sufficient to atone for sin. Satan kept Jesus in hell for three days, after which God said "enough" and took him out. Here's a direct quote from Kenyon

From What Happened From the Cross to the Throne, seventh edition, p. 89

2. Benny Hinn says God has a body. He also said that The Father is a triune being, the Son is a triune being, and the Holy Spirit is a triune being--nine in all. both these statements were made with to Paul Crouch on TBN.

3. Fred Price: True Christians do not get sick

4. Kenneth Copeland: God is 6 feet tall and came from another planet.

5. Copeland It was originally intended for women to give birth out of their sides.

Well, the last two aren't exactly widely held PC doctrines, just individual revelations or visions.


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