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Featured The "Literal" NASU? Really?

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Rippon, Nov 10, 2015.

  1. Rippon

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    40:2 : mud of the mire
    40:4 : regard
    40:12 : forsaken
    41:3 : turn all his bed
    43:4 : the gladness of my joy
    44:4 : salvation
    44:11 : for food
    44:14 : shaking of the head
    44:15 : the shame of my face has covered me
     
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    46: 5 : at the turning of the morning
    46:6 : gave forth
    47:9 : has greatly exalted Himself
    48:5 : were hurried away
    48:6 : Trembling
     
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    40:12 : forsaken
    41:3 : turn all his bed
    43:4 : the gladness of my joy
    44:4 : salvation
    44:11 : for food
    44:14 : shaking of the head
    44:15 : the shame of my face has covered me
     
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    49:4 : open up
    49:5 : supplanters
    49:12 : honor...are destroyed
    49:14 : away from his habitation
    49:15 : hand
    49:18 : his soul
    49:19 : You
    49:20 : honor
     
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    50:13 : strong ones
    50:18 : your part is with adulterers.
    50:19 : You send your mouth loose in evil.
    51:4 : pure when you judge
    54:4 : The Lord is as those who sustain
    55:5 : shuddering has overwhelmed me
    55:6 : I would fly away and settle down
    55:9 : Swallow up, O Lord
    55:13 : a man according to my valuation
    55:20 : He has profaned his covenant
    55:21 : His mouth
     
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    Concluding passages from Psalms that I will list.

    56:4 : What can mere flesh do to me?
    56;6 : They watch my heels
    58:7 : When he bends his arrows, let them be as though they were cut off
    58:9 : the living
    59:4 : Arouse Yourself to meet me
    59:5 : Awake to visit all the nations
    59:13 : Bring to an end
     
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    From info I had in an old thread regarding the TNIV (and I assume would apply to the NIV).

    In Proverbs chapters 1-21 there are 229 occasions where the Lit. was noted in the margin and not in the text itself. The text has a more idiomatic reading.

    In the HCSB of the same section there are 73 footnotes noting the Lit. while a more idiomatic expression is used in the text.

    Staying with the HCSB :

    The NASU has 17 of the Lit. in the text
    The ESV has 15
    The TNIV has 14

    I would say that the TNIV/NIV is in pretty good company ;-)
     
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    Has anyone bothered reading this thread?
     
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    With 378 views? Yes, indeed.
     
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    wouldn't it be better though to say that the nasb would be a translation based upon a more formal structure of rendering into the english, and thus does produce a majority of the time a more literal version?
     
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    Judging from the above, you are a prime candidate for the NIrV.
     
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    In the text of the NASU: the miry clay
    In the text of the NIV : the mud and the mire
    Text of NASU : My heart has failed me
    Text of NIV : my heart fails within me
    Text of NASU : sustain him upon his sickbed
    Text of NIV : sustain them on their sickbed
    Text of NASU : my exceeding joy
    Text of NIV : my joy and my delight
    Text of NASU : victories
    Text of NIV : victories
    Text of NASU : to be eaten
    Text of NIV : to be devoured
    Text of NASU : A laughingstock
    Text of NIV : shake their heads
    Text of NASU : My humilation has overwhelmed me
    Text of NIV : My face is covered with shame
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    So in three of the above examples the NIV retains the so-called literal rendering.
     
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    NASU text : when morning dawns
    NIV text : at break of day
    NASU text : he raised
    NIV text : he lifts
    NASU text : He is highly exalted
    NIV text : He is greatly exalted
    NASU text : they fled in alarm
    NIV text : they fled in terror
    NASU text : panic
    NIV text : Trembling
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    The NIV got one of the five examples in a so-called more literal manner.
     
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    NASU : I will express
    NIV : I will expound
    [The NIV is closer. Expound means to explain. Express just means to communicate.]
    NASU : my foes
    NIV : wicked deceivers
    [Not merely 'foes' as the NASU has it; wicked deceivers comes closer to the meaning.]
    NASU : man in his pomp...perish
    NIV : People despite their wealth...perish
    [Pomp just means pageantry --showing off --while "wealth" is better here. Despite all their wealth --they will not endure.]
    NASU : they have no habitation
    NIV : far from their princely mansions
    NASU : the power of Sheol
    NIV : from the realm of the dead
    NASU : while he lives
    NIV : while they live
     
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    Thanks, but prefer to stay with my trusty Nasb/Esv/1984 Niv versions!
     
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    NASU : you associate with adulterers
    NIV : you throw your lot in with adulterers
    NASU : You let your mouth loose in evil.
    NIV : You use your mouth for evil.
    NASU : blameless when you judge
    NIV : justified when You judge
    NASU : The Lord is the sustainer of my soul.
    NIV : The Lord is the one who sustaines me.
    NASU : Fear and trembling come upon me.
    NIV : Fear and trembling have beset me.
    ["Come upon me" is not as close as "beset me."
    NASU : be at rest
    NIV : be at rest
    NASU : confuse
    NIV : confuse
    NASU : a man my equal
    NIV : a man like myself
     
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    NASU : mere man
    NIV : mere mortals
    NASU : distort my words
    NIV : twist my words
    NASU : Arouse Yourself to help me and see!
    NIV : Arise to help me; look on my plight!
    NASU : punish all the nations
    NIV : punish all the nations
    NASU : to the ends of the earth
    NIV : to the ends of the earth
     
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    Because one may open a thread to look at it, doesn't mean they have taken the time to read it.

    Like this thread, I have read maybe three of the posts.

    You seem rather hung up on the NIV.

    Are you an NIV "only?"
     
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    Well, you'll have to do better to stay informed.
    Spoken by someone who isn't informed.
    Hardy har har. I suppose you are ignorant of my many threads commending the NLT, Norlie, MLB, REB, Phillips and many more.
     
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    [QUOTE="Rippon, post: 2199212, member: 2998"

    Hardy har har. I suppose you are ignorant of my many threads commending the NLT, Norlie, MLB, REB, Phillips and many more.[/QUOTE]

    I asked because it seems that your posts in some manner reject both the KJV and NASB in favor of the NIV.
     
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