The Lord preserved his Words

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  1. makahiya117

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    The name of Jesus Christ is above every name.
    KJV Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    of things in heaven, and things on earth, and things under the earth;

    His name is exalted above blessing and praise.
    KJV Nehemiah 9:5 . . . Stand up and bless the LORD your God
    for ever and ever:and blessed be thy glorious name,
    which is exalted above all blessing and praise.

    God’s words are magnified above his name.
    KJV Psalms 138:2 I will worship towards thy holy temple,
    and praise thy name for thy loving-kindness and for thy truth:
    for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
    KJV 1 Corinthians 15:3-4
    3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received,
    how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
    4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day
    according to the scriptures.

    The Lord preserved his words, not the church and not the scholars.
    KJV Psalms 12:6-7
    6 The words of the LORD are pure words:
    as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
    7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them
    from this generation for ever.

    Believers will believe, doubters will doubt and haters will hate.
    KJV Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him:
    for he that cometh to God must believe that he is,
    and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

    While the entire line of scripture are records,
    the outstanding record of scripture and the scripture of final authority
    is the published text and form of the AV 1611 KJV Holy Bible first edition.

    KJV Holy Bibles are the most published, read and loved bibles of all time.
    KJV Holy Bibles are the most published, read and loved books of all time.
     
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    A consistent, scriptural view of preservation does not lead to a modern, man-made KJV-only view.

    According to the definition of preservation and according to what the Scriptures state, the same original language words given to the prophets and apostles would be the words that would be preserved. His words were the words given by inspiration to the prophets and apostles.

    Do those who make non-scriptural exclusive only claims for the KJV show that they believe what the Scriptures state?
     
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    In another thread,
    Which presently published edition of the KJV is every word the same as the 1769 Oxford edition of the KJV?

    All spelling was not standardized in the 1769 edition of the KJV.

    All errors were not corrected in the 1769 edition of the KJV.

    The 1769 Oxford edition of the KJV introduced some new errors into the KJV, and some of them remained in the KJV many years.
     
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    I'm confused as to your position on the King James. You give an appearance at this board to be King James Only or at least anti-anything beyond 1611.

    But at the "other forum" where I am a moderator and where you posted the same exact thing today, you said this when someone asked if you were trying to have a King James Only discussion.

    I wish you would clarify, at least for me, what you believe about the King James and are trying to say about preservation.
     
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    I am not a KJV Only or an Original Only.

    2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
    and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction,
    for instruction in righteousness:

    John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said,
    out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
     
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    It sure looks like it
     
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    Do you have scripture given by inspiration of God ?
     
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    This statement:

    Is contrary to the claim that you are not KJVO
     
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    Good luck with that. I'd like to know the answer also.
     
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    Makahiya,

    When the trumpet of the Lord shall sound, and time shall be no more,
    And the morning breaks, eternal, bright and fair;
    When the saved of earth shall gather over on the other shore,
    And the roll is called up yonder, I’ll be there.

    But where will God's word be?
    In what form will God's word be forever preserved when everything of this age is destroyed?

    Rob
     
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    YES...EVERY VALID bIBLE TRANSLATION.
     
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    In whatever form GOD jolly well chooses.
     
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    Changes to the KJV since 1611
    Daniel B. Wallace, Ph.D.
    Professor of New Testament Studies
    Dallas Theological Seminary

    The King James Bible contains 791,328 words.
    There have been a grand total of 421 word changes.
    The 421 total changes amounting to only five one-hundredths of a percent.

    TOWARDS has been changed to TOWARD 14 times.
    BURNT has been changed to BURNED 31 times.
    AMONGST has been changed to AMONG 36 times.
    LIFT has been changed to LIFTED 51 times.
    YOU has been changed to YE 82 times.

    Out of a grand total of 421 changes from 1611 to the present,
    almost 300 of the 421 are of this exact nature !
    Now let’s do the math...

    By omitting changes of this nature, we now have about 150
    (to be conservative) remaining changes. The remaining 150 changes
    from 1611 to today are composed of printing errors, spelling standardization, and a few minor phrase changes.

    This amounts to one one-hundredth of a percent of the text.
     
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    incorrect claims

    Why do you post and even repeat false claims? You posted these same claims in another thread, and they were refuted.

    The above are not the direct claims of Daniel B. Wallace. In what specific source or article does Daniel B. Wallace state the above? If Wallace makes them in any article, he would be quoting them from their actual source D. A. Waite.

    The above inaccurate claims were made by D. A. Waite.

    In his 1985 booklet The Authorized Version 1611 Compared to Today's King James Version, D. A. Waite wrote:

    "1. 'Towards' is changed to 'toward' 14 times
    2. 'Burnt' is changed to 'burned' 31 times
    3. 'Amongst' is changed to 'among' 36 times
    4. 'Lift' is changed to 'lifted' 51 times
    5. 'You' is changed to 'ye' 82 times" (p. 5).

    The information you quote what whatever source is actually not factual or correct.

    I compared the same two editions of the KJV that D. A. Waite compared, and I found over 2,000 differences [not 421]. A list of those 2,000 are given in a booklet entitled Today's KJV and 1611 Compared and More. so that count have been documented and presented since 2006. Even D. A. Waite himself has revised his count up to 1,095 changes.

    "You" in the 1611 edition was changed to "ye" over 200 times.

    "Towards" was changed to "toward" more than 14 times. I quickly skimmed through my research and found over 70 times that this change was made.
     
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    You are misinformed.

    D. A. Waite’s count of “only 136” changes that he termed “substantial changes” is inaccurate.

    Perhaps because Waite failed to correct his 136 count of “substantial changes“ when he revised his count of total changes to 1095, David Cloud apparently assumed that out of the 674 additional changes that Waite now acknowledged that there would be no “substantial changes” among them. David Cloud asserted: “Dr. Waite found only 136 substantial changes” (Answering the Myths, p. 79).

    According to Waite’s own stated categories of what constituted “substantial changes,“ it should be very clear that the claim of only “136” such changes does not hold up in the light of the facts found in the 1611 KJV. If all the changes in the categories that Waite described as “substantial” [adding a word, omitting a word, changing a tense, changing a word, changing number (plural/singular), changing a case] were counted, the count of “substantial” changes would definitely be over 300 if not over 400.

    There were over 140 words added to a present KJV edition that are not found in the 1611. At one verse (Eccl. 8:17), six words were added. At nine verses, three words are added. At fifteen verses, two words are added.

    Over 45 words found in the 1611 are omitted in the present KJV edition if the 21 words omitted at Exodus 14:10 are included in the count.

    Over 60 times the number [plural/singular] of nouns or pronouns is changed.

    Twenty or more times the tense of a verb is changed.

    Sixty, seventy, or more examples would belong to the category “changing a word,“ and Waite himself listed at least that many examples in this category in his own incomplete 421 list in his 1985 booklet (see pp. 20-23). “Than” is a different word than “then,“ which means that there are 483 more word changes that could be counted as being “substantial.”

    Under that category of “changing a word,“ Waite included a couple examples that could be described as “changing the gender of pronouns” [“he” to “she” (Ruth 3:15, Job 39:30), “her” to “his” (Gen. 39:16), “she“ to “he“ (Song of Solomon 2:7)]. Under his category described as “changing a case,“ Waite listed only two examples [“who” to “whom” (Acts 21:16) and “him” to “he” (Prov. 6:19)]. There would be other examples of the changing of the case of pronouns [“who” to “whom” (Gen. 24:44. Acts 22:8), “it“ to “its“ (Lev. 25:5)]. If all the changes of “you” to the nominative case “ye” were included in this category, the total number of “substantial changes” would be over 200 more. In twelve places, a nominative case “ye” was changed to a different case “you” [Gen. 19:14, Num. 32:24, Deut. 1:13, Josh. 3:12, Josh. 22:4, Isa. 1:16, Isa. 30:11, Isa. 32:11, Ezek. 11:15, Zech. 6:7, Zech. 9:12].

    It would seem obvious that anyone who now advocates or defends this “136” substantial changes count has their eyes closed to the truth.

    The 1611 KJV edition itself provides clear and convincing evidence that refutes some typical KJV-only claims about KJV editions
     
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    Interesting!

    Ecclesiastes 8:11-

    Then I behelde all the worke of God, that a man cannot finde out the worke that is done vnder the Sunne: because though a man labour to seeke it out, yea further though a wise man thinke to know it, yet shall hee not be able to finde it.

    Then I beheld all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun: because though a man labour to seek it out, yet he shall not find it; yea farther; though a wise man think to know it, yet shall he not be able to find it.

    Exodus 14:10-

    ¶ And when Pharaoh drew nigh, the children of Israel lift vp their eyes, and behold, the Egyptians marched after them, and they were sore afraid: and the children of Israel lift vp their eyes, and beholde, the Egyptians marched after them, and they were sore afraid: and the children of Israel cried out vnto the Lord.

    And when Pharaoh drew nigh, the children of Israel lifted up their eyes, and, behold, the Egyptians marched after them; and they were sore afraid: and the children of Israel cried out unto the Lord.

    Doesn't affect the message one bit, but it kind of blows the whole "perfect/Only" teaching out of the water.
     
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    facts vs. KJV-only fiction

    Over and over, it can be seen that KJV-only advocates will not face and accept the truth.

    The person who made the 421 word changes claim listed only one change for the Old Testament book of Ezra.

    #147 Ezra 2:22 children {1611} men [today's KJV in Scofield Reference Bible]

    Compare that incomplete, inaccurate listing to the facts:

    Ezra 1:1 y LORD {1611} the LORD [today's KJV]
    776 Ezra 1:4 besides {1611} beside [today's KJV]
    777 Ezra 1:6 besides {1611} beside [today's KJV]
    Ezra 1:10 basins {1611} basons [today's KJV]
    Ezra 2:2 Mispar {161} Mizpar [today's KJV]
    778 *Ezra 2:22 children {1611} men [today's KJV]
    Ezra 3:4 duetie {1611} duty [today's KJV]
    779 +Ezra 3:5 that willingly offred, offered {1611} that willingly offered [today's KJV]
    780 Ezra 3:11 sung {1611} sang [today's KJV]
    781 Ezra 3:11 towards {1611} toward [today's KJV]
    782 Ezra 4:3 You have {1611} Ye have [today's KJV]
    Ezra 4:10 Asnappar {1611} Asnapper [today's KJV]
    783-784 Ezra 4:11 Thy servants {1611} Thy servants the men [today's KJV]
    785 +Ezra 4:24 house of the God {1611} house of God [today's KJV]
    Ezra 6:4 expences bee {1611} expenses be [today's KJV]
    Ezra 6:9 appoyment {1611} appointment [today's KJV]
    Ezra 6:15 honse {1611} house [today's KJV]
    786 Ezra 7:9 fro {1611} from [today's KJV]
    787 Ezra 7:18 the silver and gold {1611} the silver and the gold [today's KJV]
    788 +Ezra 8:16 also for Jarib [1611] also for Joiarib [today's KJV]
    789 +Ezra 8:21 the river Ahava {1611} the river of Ahava [today's KJV]
    790 Ezra 9:3 pluckt {1611} plucked [today's KJV]
    Ezra 9:7 bin delivered {1611} been delivered [today's KJV]
    791 Ezra 9:13 then our iniquities {1611} than our iniquities [today's KJV]
    Ezra 10:3 and lee it {1611} and let it [today's KJV]
     
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    This one is an obvious printer's (more specifically, typesetter's) error.
     
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    Is .01% the equivalent of "pure"?
     
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    A pure KJV text matches word for word with the AV 1611 KJV Holy Bible first edition.

    Changes to the KJV since 1611
    Daniel B. Wallace, Ph.D.
    Professor of New Testament Studies
    Dallas Theological Seminary

    The King James Bible contains 791,328 words.
    There have been a grand total of 421 word changes.
    The 421 total changes amounting to only five one-hundredths of a percent.
    Out of a grand total of 421 changes from 1611 to the present,
    almost 300 of the 421 are of this exact nature !
    Now let’s do the math...

    By omitting changes of this nature, we now have about 150 (to be conservative) remaining changes. The remaining 150 changes from 1611 to today are composed
    of printing errors, spelling standardization, and a few minor phrase changes.

    This amounts to one one-hundredth of a percent of the text.
     

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