The Manhattan Declaration

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  1. kyredneck

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    Does anyone have any info/input on this movement? Honestly just curious.

    http://www.manhattandeclaration.org/

    From the homepage:

     
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    I would recommend reading the entire document before signing.
    ecumentalism..... unity in diversity of fundamental truths...... non-believers alike?

    Is it realistic to hope to garner the signatures of the non-believers to a document which declares 'we make this commitment...as followers of Jesus Christ, the crucified and risen Lord, who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life?'

    I find myself wanting to sign it because of my agreement with
    'These truths are:
    1.the sanctity of human life
    2.the dignity of marriage as the conjugal union of husband and wife
    3.the rights of conscience and religious liberty.'
    But I can't with good conscience because of 'We are Orthodox, Catholic, and evangelical Christians who have united
    '........... united at the expense of what compromise...... with unbelievers?
     
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    I don't see how Christians can sign it because it basically says that Christians and Catholics have the same Gospel, which is not true.

    Catholicism is a false religion that preaches a false Gospel.

    I have a personal interest in two of the signers, Al Mohler and Russell Moore, because of their affiliation with SBTS. I was very disappointed that they would sign it.
     
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    [Personal attack removed]
     
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    Dr. Mohler has articulately explained why he signed in at his blog. It's worth seeing.
     
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    Sooner or later we have to realize there is far more that unites us than divides us. We aren't asking people to teach Sunday school, we are asking them to act morally together for what God has called us to.
     
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    Perhaps, but in this case, what divides us are the core tenets of our respective religions.

    Remember a little thing called the Reformation?

    But the Manhattan Declaration does imply that we're all just one big happy family and have the same doctrines and the same Gospel.

    We don't. Catholicism teaches a grossly different and false gospel and is a distinct and entirely different religion altogether.

    If the Manhattan Declaration were with Mormons instead of Catholics, would you be saying the same thing?
     
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    The issue of JohnDeereFan's hyperpreoccupation with Catholicism aside, I'm incredibly hesitant about encouraging Christians to sign such a document. Jesus says "let your yes be yes", etc. Even though the passage referrs to oaths, it's unnecessary to require a person to make an additional affirmation on a manmade document. All it does is provide fodder for those wishing to cast aspersions or false accolades on individuals based solely on whether their name appears on a document. It borders on quasi-McCarthyism, imo.
     
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    I like the Manhanttan declaration. For those against it because of doctrinal reasons... come on. You're rejecting the good in favor of some hypothetical perfect document that perfectly reflects YOUR specific beliefs that few people will sign. It's not supposed to be a doctrinal tretise.

    I believe the people and groups that signed it are sincere Christians - including the Catholic and Orthodox! - who are taking an opportunity to make a stand for Christ and his church.
     
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    That's precisely the issue. Some feel it purports to be such.
     
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    The issue of JohnV's constant personal attacks aside...
     
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    So, are you really saying that if there were a Christian-Mormon statement that says that we work together for the sake of the Gospel, implying that we preach the same Gospel and that there really is no distinction between Mormonism and Christianity, you'd have no problem with that?

    No it isn't, but the moment the words "we" and "Gospel" are introduced, doctrine becomes a very big issue.
     
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    http://www.gty.org/Resources/Articles/A390

    http://www.truthforlife.org/resources/article/manhattan-declaration/

    So, you can look down on me all you like for not compromising when it comes to the word of God, but at least I'm in good company.
     
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    Finally, when there is a call for "unity" despite unrestrained "diversity" let us never fall prey to the idea that being united in error is more honorable than being divided by truth because all that is required for error to prevail is for good men to do nothing. ~Deacon ad hoc BGCT and Denominational Study Committee FBC Dallas
     
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    .......n/t
     
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    So, are you really saying that if there were a Christian-Mormon statement that says that we work together for the sake of the Gospel, implying that we preach the same Gospel and that there really is no distinction between Mormonism and Christianity, you'd have no problem with that?

    You're speaking of a hypothetical document that doesn't exist.

    I'm speaking about the real document that does exist that was signed by real people.

    I didn't see any Mormon leaders' names on it..... did you?

    I like to discuss the reality of what is, not with hypotheticals of what could be.
     
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    You don't have to answer it. It's just something to think about.

    I'm curious, Peggy, what is your view of the Reformation? Do you know why it took place and what the major issues were?
     
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    The fact that a moderator has not removed my "JohnDeereFans's hyperpreoccupation with Catholicism aside" comment indicates that it is not a personal attack.
     

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