One member continues to use this term and declares that those of us who do not speak in tongues, or have a supposed HS baptism separate from conversion, are in "unbelief". That word and "manifestation" are her favorite catch-words. It is the height of spiritual arrogance to make that charge, which by her definition applies to all those from the beginning of the church until now who have suffered and given their lives to spread the gospel, including the well-known like Wesley, William Carey, and those unknown. According to her, all of them and us are in unbelief and have not believed in the manifestation of the Holy Spirit. This is an insult and an outrage! She is spitting on the graves of all those faithful Christians all down through the ages. I'll tell you how to determine who has experienced the manifestation of the Holy Spirit: It is those who are bearing the FRUIT of the Spirit! And I don't see any fruit among spiritually arrogant, spiritually elitist Charismatics! Thus, any so-called manifestation might be from a spirit, but it is not the Spirit of God. So, how do you know if something is a true manifestation of the Holy Spirit? First and foremost, it must line up with scripture. Charismatic/Pentecostal doctrine does not. The, the Holy Spirit produces fruits of the spirit. Last time I checked, spiritual arrogance and elitism were not on the list.