The Many Insurmountable Difficulties of Futurism: The Pre-Trib Rapture Escape

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  1. Protestant

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    Classic Futurism teaches Christ’s Church will escape Great Tribulation.

    The sequence is as follows:

    1. Christ comes secretly for His Church at the Last Trump.
    2. The dead in Christ are the first to rise to meet Christ in the air in their glorified bodies.
    3. Next, living believers receive their glorified bodies in the twinkling of an eye at which time they, too, are caught up to meet Christ in the air.

    Thus, we have a gathering together with Christ of both deceased and living saints.

    1 Thess. 4 & 1 Cor. 15 teach these scriptural truths.

    However, Futurists veer from scriptural truth when they adamantly declare, without scriptural authority, that this rapture will occur before the Man of Sin, the Antichrist is revealed.

    When we examine the context of 1 Thess. 5 we easily discover it relates back to what was just taught in the 4th chapter.

    But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
    For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night
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    Paul explains that the rapture will occur on ‘the day of the Lord.’

    The day of the Lord is the return of Christ in judgment.

    For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
    But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
    Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness……….
    ………. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
    Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
    Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.


    Paul assures Christians that they have nothing to fear in the day of the Lord.

    For Christians have not been appointed to receive the wrathful judgment of God.

    Rather we Christians have been appointed to obtain salvation that we should have living fellowship with the Lord for all eternity.

    Paul’s 2nd Epistle to the Thessalonians expands on the subject of the day of the Lord. Here he calls it 'the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ' and 'the day of Christ.'

    Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
    That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.


    Deceivers were teaching falsehoods concerning the return of Christ.

    Paul needed to clarify and restate that which he had previously taught them.

    Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    Before the gathering of the saints can take place (i.e. the rapture; the day of the Lord; the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ; the day of Christ) the Man of Sin (aka Antichrist) must first be revealed to the Christian Church.

    This ‘revealing’ is spelled out in further detail in the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

    The Christian Church has had this revelation of the Man of Sin (the mystery of iniquity) revealed to them for 1,000 + years.

    The united testimony of the saints as to the identity of the Man of Sin has been preserved and is accessible to all who care to learn the truth…..who have been given eyes to see and ears to hear.

    Futurists believe they will escape the trials and tribulation brought about by the Antichrist.

    Scripture does speak of those who seek to ‘escape’:

    For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

    Futurists teach a Pre-Trib rapture escape.

    Thus, they believe they are called to a Christian life of ‘peace and safety.’

    No Antichrist. No Great Tribulation. No worries.

    Is it not too difficult for the reader to understand that the gathering together of all the saints to meet the Lord in the air (1 Thess. 4) is the same gathering together described in 2 Thess. 2?

    And is it not plainly spelled out by Paul that same gathering must be preceded by the revelation of the Man of Sin, Antichrist?

    Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
     
  2. Salty

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    Return of the Lord will not be a secret
    You might make an analogy of 6 Jun 44 - aka D-Day. No one knew when the allies would land in France, until it happened -and immediately everyone knew. And basically for the same reason.

    This is proof that Baptists will be the first to go in the Rapture - You know the dead in Christ shall rise first.... :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    Yes, the Man of Sin will be revealed, before the First Resurrection (Rev 20).
    No, he hasn't been revealed yet.
    No, there is no one living in Jerusalem, claiming to be their messiah, ruling the whole world from there.
    No one is forced to take a mark...AS A TOKEN OF WORSHIP OF THE MAN OF SIN.
    No, the sky hasn't peeled back.
    No, the Saints haven't been overcome, worldwide, due to the war the Son of Perdition makes against them.

    If I wanted to read a spiritualized version of how all end-time prophecy has already been fulfilled, i'd keep the Watchtower left in my door, or take up Christian Science.

    Preterism is as much science fiction as anything LaHaye put out.
     
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    "Christian" fiction? A real oxymoron. Maybe "fiction that is presented as Christian" fits better. There are, obviously, authentic Christian resources, the foremost being the Bible, Spiritually interpreted and applied. "Spiritually" = Holy Spirit. HE is the only Interpreter; HE provides that and application to Believers. It is sad that we have come to the place where we must place and adjective before "Believers" when referring to ourselves and others, as in "authentic."
     
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    You have to read prophecy in the light of how God had it interpreted in the Bible, and its a literal fulfillment, and he used even types amd symbols to point to literal events to come!
     
  7. BobRyan

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    Good OP.

    Matt 24 "immediately AFTER the tribulation... He will send forth His angels to gather His elect from the four winds..."

    Also Dan 7 points to the 2nd coming as taking place AFTER all persecution of the saints ends.
     
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    Correct.

    Rev 13:1-10 shows the existing saints encounter the war with the Beast and are defeated by the Beast, then the existing Saints who existed before the Rise of the Beast will be under the control by the Beast for 42 months which is the period of Persecution. The saints were not the new Believers who started to exist newly during the Tribulation.

    Only after the Tribulation Jesus comes. No secret Rapture

    Eliyahu
     
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    We have not yet entered into that time in history yet though, as the Great tribulation has yet to come, and after His second coming, the Millinium!
     

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