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The Middle East and the Sins of Israel

Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by Stratiotes, Jul 22, 2004.

  1. Stratiotes

    Stratiotes New Member

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    Let's see, the Indians were in America before the Europeans so maybe my land is rightfully theirs? Maybe the Norsemen should give England back to the Anglos? Maybe, using the rule of previous habitation, we should give it back to the Canaanites if we could find some of them? Remember, the first Israelites took it by force as well. Go back as far as you like.
     
  2. church mouse guy

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    Here is the point. I disagree with the author when he stated, "Israel took the land of the Palestinians by force of arms and proceeded to occupy it. True enough."

    However, the second point is that what happened in Israel in the 20th century is much more complicated than what has been suggested on this board. It is too time-consuming to debate and I myself would not care to debate it under the title of the sins of Israel, which I think is a one-sided point of view. I realize that the CP wants to cut off foreign aid to Israel.
     
  3. KenH

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    1) Then what do you call the Six Day War in June 1967 when Israel took the West Bank and Gaza and the Golan Heights and the Sinai? A picnic?

    Personally, I am in favor of the wall and then at some point in the future(maybe in 20 years) moving the wall back to the pre-Six Day War borders.

    2) The Constitution Party is for cutting off ALL foreign aid - PERIOD.

    Foreign aid should be handled through private charitable contributions not through government force.
     
  4. Stratiotes

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    Charity stops being charity when it is coerced by way of taxes. If you want to send your money off to Israel or to the Sudan or whatever you like you are free to do so. But do not coerce money from everybody else for your favorite charity. Let each choose his own charities - that's freedom.
     
  5. church mouse guy

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    In other words, the CP does not want to do anything for anybody. That is what this is all about. It is anti-Israel.
     
  6. KenH

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    How you arrive at the conclusion that being for stopping ALL foreign aid, including to the Palestinians and other Muslims, makes a party anti-Israel is simply not logical, cmg. [​IMG]

    BTW, I see no reason whey we would not continue any military aid to Israel and other countries if it is given to protect these United States.
     
  7. church mouse guy

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    Ken, it would be unconstitutional to give any foreign aid according to the lawyer that you have heading up your ticket with the preacher. Evidently, you guys agree with the idea that Israel has sins and has to pay for them or else why are you keeping this thread open?
     
  8. LadyEagle

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    Well, huh! What about these apples, and it DOESN'T apply to foreign aid!

    Source

    Where's the approval of Congress for this kind of aid/milarky?

    And, Ken, when did you get more posts than me? Did you bump up your post odometer or something? :mad: ;)
     
  9. KenH

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    I wonder if it had something to do with trying to stop the poppy growers in Afghanistan, LE?
     
  10. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    It's all this work I've been doing for the past few months promoting the conservative cause for Michael Peroutka against the liberal Demopublicans - George W. Bush and John F. Kerry. :D
     
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    And he is 100% correct.

    Military aid is permissible if it defends these United States.

    You need to keep the two - military aid and charitable aid - separate in your thinking, cmg. [​IMG]
     
  12. church mouse guy

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    And he is 100% correct.

    Military aid is permissible if it defends these United States.

    You need to keep the two - military aid and charitable aid - separate in your thinking, cmg. [​IMG]
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    That is what the CP does--split hairs. Military aid is part of foreign aid. But look for Peroutka to try to define his way out of the mess that he has put his party into. Peroutka should tell us what his definition of is is.
     
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    Here is the truth about what the Constitution Party says in their platform about military aid:

    "We propose that the United States

    repudiate any commitment, express or implied, to send U.S. troops to participate in foreign conflicts, whether unilaterally, under NATO auspices, or as a part of the United Nations "peace-keeping" operations; and
    cease financing, or arming of belligerents in the world's troubled areas."

    That clearly says that no military aid will go to Israel according to Peroutka.
     
  15. KenH

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    It's clear you don't understand what I am saying. If giving military aid to another country increases our own defenses, then we should certainly do so, regardless of how you understand the Demopublican, Libertarian, Green, or Constitution Party platforms.
     
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    Agreed, cmg, agreed.
     
  17. church mouse guy

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    Thanks, Lady Eagle! You are a sane voice in a sea of extremism.

    Ken, if you vote for Peroutka, you are voting for his platform that clearly says no military aid to Israel in the clause "and cease financing, or arming of belligerents in the world's troubled areas."

    So my point that the CP is against foreign aid of all types to Israel is a correct reading of the CP platform since Israel is a belligerent in a troubled area of the world. However, Peroutka may try to backpedal his way out of his platform since he may not accept responsibility for what the CP really stands for and what the CP really says.
     
  18. KenH

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    That will be fine with me, cmg. I know I can't have everything I want politically. [​IMG]
     
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    You know, that's true, Ken. None of us can. Even if they promise us the moon and we believe them and they even have good intentions, once they get elected, they bend and buckle to the high-pressure of PACs and Lobbyists, who have millions of dollars to throw at them. And don't forget, the President alone can do very little without the approval of Congress.

    Right now, I'm so disillusioned with the whole political process and all the corruption and irresponsibility, I feel disenfranchised, and it isn't even over "chads."

    And in the end, it is the electoral college who decides who wins.
     
  20. KenH

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    True, and we vote on who represents our State in the Electoral College.
     
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