The Middle East and the Sins of Israel

My name is on the list at Jeb Bush's office as one of the electoral college members for the Constitution Party in Florida.

 

And, Lady Eagle, the electoral college is an issue with the CP. They want to go back to a system abandoned before the Civil War.

 

Not me.

 

CMG sez:

To which I agree with CMG. I disagree with that statement made by the author.

 

I respectfully suggest that we move this discussion to the History Forum under a neutral title such as Recent Israeli History. Perhaps someone else has some better wording but I think that the thread title would attract more posters if it did not present a point of view but suggested a polite discussion from all viewpoints.

 

CMG, you should be in favor of the CP. Now I am a Democrat, and I will be voting for John Kerry in November. But you are a Republican, right? And Republicans believe in low taxes, right?

Well since the CP, if elected would lower the taxes you pay dramatically you should be in favor of this part of their platform. Also, as far as support for Israel is concerned, since you would have much more disposable income, you would be able to support Israel directly and with as much money as you decided to give.

 

Yeah, right, Terry. Why are you voting for John Kerry who has no intention of doing what you suggest that I do? The idea stinks. The CP is through. No one has wanted isolationism since the 1930s, and at that time it was an expression of hope that the USA would not be forced into WW II. For the record, I never have liked the CP. I do not think that the war in Iraq is illegal. I think that the CP is trying to open Bush and our troops up for war crimes trials. Actually, the CP is much closer to the Democrats as the far right and the far left have a lot of the same ideas.

 

Do you really think that there is any possibility that Bush will be drug up before a court and actually tried for war crimes?

CMG, it is because of wild exaggerations like this that your credibility suffers. You take the most outlandish scenario, which will never happen, and you assign it to your "enemy of the month" club. For now it is seems to be the Constitution Party, or is it LBJ, who knows?

 

Terry, your man Kerry said that he and all the other troops in Viet Nam were guilty of war crimes after he came home from Viet Nam, so there is a precedent, isn't there? Also, we have the new world court that wants to try everyone for everything. If you are saying, Terry, that the war in Iraq is illegal, then you are implying that war crimes have been committed, as you know. The Europeans would be very happy to try Bush for war crimes. The Pope has said that the war in Iraq is immoral. Who knows what Kerry would do?

As for LBJ, it is a matter of record that he instituted the 501-c-3 that censored free speech in the pulpit. LBJ withdrew in 1968 because of a credibility gap. History has not vindicated LBJ.

There seems to be a natural affinity between the CP and the Democrats. There is no such respect for Nader and the Greens from conservatives.

 

Liberal Democrats are very much against the war in Iraq. Kennedy has called it another Viet Nam, etc. So we have the Green Party, the Nader group, the liberal Democrats, the CP, and the Libertarians against the war in Iraq. Peroutka and Kerry are both unknown quantities; no one knows what they would do. Certainly Peroutka has said that the war is illegal.

The CP is a far-right party. I myself have never cared for the remarks of the far right, the John Birchers, etc.

 

My friend with the Swiss flag, I don't have much against what Capt.(?) Kirk says except that I come right out and say that I want The Holy Bible to be the basis of American law. By the way, I do use Kirk Castile soap when I can find it in the stores. Indianapolis has hard water.

The now-defunct Lycos message boards used to have a great many vehement Democrats who were against the war in Iraq. They were for the Arabs on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Maybe you remember a year or two ago that the pampered darlings at Ann Arbor and Berkeley purchased tracts from the Nazi Party who said that there was never a holocaust?

At any rate, they all voted for Gov. Dean, who might well have been nominated until blood was discovered on his hands from abortions, which he declined to deny that he had performed.

Those Dean Democrats are alive and well and living on Planet Earth along with Satan. They make up the minority against the war along with the Greens, the Nader bunch, the Libertarians (Badnarik rising), and the CP.

Now, my friend with the Swiss flag, you say that my definition of a liberal Democrat changes. I hope not. John Kerry is a liberal by any sense of the word. Remember that he voted against sending more money to the troops. This is a low that did not even occur during the Viet Nam war. Those against that war in the Congress still voted to support the troops at that time. Kerry and Edwards are liberals in my book.

The campaign line that the Demos and the GOP is the same is really wearing very thin. It is not your fault, my friend with the Swiss flag, but it is a line that we have read here for many months from the other members of the CP. I think that a line like that in political science 101 at the neighborhood college would earn you an F.

 

Below is a reply received recenly. It is also an apt response to a earlier reference made about the Holy Land..and the American Christian Right.

Hello All, Abe! Yes, some of us here are Americans. Not all. I am.
Thought of a couple things. One was that I believe God is using you to make the Christians of the world be aware of our brothers & sisters in your land and their situation. Perhaps He has raised you up for this very purpose. Like Joseph. Where, compared to the land of Egypt at the time, his family of what, around 70 people or so? They were very insignificant in numbers. If he had not been raised up, then what's the likelihood they'd have perished in the famine?

If I am remembering correctly you are currently in Australia...so like Joseph too, in a land not your own?

Then I also remember my friend who was given up to the hospital at birth and many years he searched for his family. One day he did find his real mother and found out he had several brothers & sisters. As they met and began to know each other, they also found out they had many things in common. Even though he did not even know for sure they existed. For many years it was just a longing, a desire and a hope in his heart that he had a living family. He really had no outward evidence of it. For many long years he felt displaced. His adoptive family did their best, but he was not really theirs and they communicated it to him by their actions & attitudes. From the time he was a tiny infant. I recall his joy and satisfaction on meeting his aged mother prior to her death and connecting with his brothers & sisters...

I liked the response you gave to the Jewish brother. I am glad you shared it here...

Great prayer Jackie. I believe we are one in this.

Yes, may God help us all!!!

Love, DD