the moral ugliness of New Orleans

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  1. hillclimber

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    Friend from church sent this to me. Makes sense.
    Sept 02, 2005

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    Edited at the poster's request to bring into compliance with BB posting policies

    [ September 15, 2005, 08:20 AM: Message edited by: C4K ]
     
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    Outstanding!
     
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    I agree and disagree. FDR, who started this business, said that welfare is a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human soul.

    Also, having been a Chicagoan and knowing were the Illinois Institute of Technology is and knowing what the projects looked like in Chicago, I understand the point about the crime-ridden public housing.

    However, I think that the basic issue is the failure of the social gospel of the Great Depression era that made a god of the full belly. As you know, you can take a hog to the state fair and wash it, put ribbons on it, paint its toenails. and splash it with Chanel # 5 http://www.chanel.com/ Nevertheless, when the hog geta a chance, it will return to the filth of the mire. Man is totally depraved.

    Another failure of the liberals is gun control. The Wall Street Journal newspaper yesterday had a story about a 97-year-old woman who survived alone until a couple of days ago when they finally were able to talk her out of her apartment. She said that she had a loaded gun and if anyone tried to get in her home, they might not leave alive. The rescuers said that she was all alone for blocks and blocks but she told them off saying that she was not alone because the Saviour was with her.

    Whenever there is a breakdown, there is lawlessness. What is the name of that Humphrey Bogart movie about the hurricane where he uses a gun to control the bad guys? One needs a gun. That was a lesson of the Los Angeles riots a few years ago. The Koreans and others who had guns and ammo were able to defend their property. Those who didn't have guns and ammo were looted, etc. Disasters do not bring people together. The 2 political parties were at each other's throats for days and the Baptist Board was not talking about church soup kitchens but firing someone in government.

    But I do agree that people who are dependent upon the government become institutionalized. There are millions of people who get government help with their food through food stamps, get help with housing through public housing or section 8, get medicine through medicaid and public hospitals, and get cash through government grants. These people are often fully institutionalized.

    Clearly, we need a streamlined disaster plan. The Southern Baptists, the 3rd largest relief agency, takes no federal money and yet is always ready to respond. WalMart has a better logistical system than the US military and delivered relief immediately. FedEx, DHL, UPS, and the others can deliver packages and messages days faster than the government post office.

    Most importantly, civil defense requires that every person has food and water and medicine for a certain number of days.

    Also, these parasitical sports teams that eat up so much tax money need to stockpile provisions in their domes for disasters. The Indianapolis Colts (please root against them) have forced the city of Indy and the State of Indiana to cough up millions of dollars to replace a 20-year-old dome. Construction has not started yet, but the local government should insist that they stockpile about 50,000 servings of water and food, maybe at the expense of these overpaid football players and coaches.

    Yes, Americans are institutionalized. No, the failure was not related to our institutionalization so much as it was to our total depravity and our improvidence in arming and supplying ourselves and in seeing that the supplicants do the same. And we certainly need to evangelize these supplicants and teach them enough doctrine so that they know what they believe and why. God may have made me weak-minded in all other areas but he gave me the ability to decide for myself to accept or reject Jesus as Lord and Saviour. The greatest day in my life was the day that I accepted Jesus as Lord and Saviour long ago.
     
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    Good post cmg, however, hillclimber's post has some good points also.
     
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    Thanks, so what is your conclusion?
     
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    Good points, church mouse guy!
     
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    Except that is not what the public officials did - there was no water, no food, no transportation to evacuate, and NO INFORMATION for four days afterwards and people who tried to evacuate themselves by foot over the bridge to Gretna were prevented by rifle-shooting officers. They were lied to by the New Orleans police officers who told them there would be buses to evacuate them on the other side of the bridge.

    That's pretty short-sighted. Since law enforcement is needed in any large-scale emergency situation, as well as after football or baseball championship games, or when a court case is decided the "wrong" way why does it surprise that journalist that days of disaster, death and destruction with no law, no food, no water, no rescue should result in lawlessness?

    Of course, the Iraqi insurgency also came as a surprise (who knew anyone would object to having their country invaded!? who could have guessed that the dissolution of civil law enforcement would result in lawlessness?!) to many in the current administration and its boosters.
     
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    Think very carefully about the meaning – both literally and implied – of these very serious statements!

    This is very typical of liberal government thinking. If they're unable to implement this desire in normal times - because of the law - they'll certainly use an "emergency" to justify it - and bypass the law.

    Every citizen should be able to own, possess, and use weapons to defend themselves, their families, and their property. They are no less entitled to such aids for defense as any law enforcement officer. The need, as has been demonstrated, is even greater during times of crisis.

    The government must respect this fundamental right of the citizens. The government needs to focus upon maintaining order by helping – not hindering - the citizens protect themselves, their families, and their property. The government – whether city, county, state, or federal – must be kept in check by the citizens and held to account on this matter.
     
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    Martial law is liberal government? The word "liberal" has meanings that I never dreamt of.
     
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    Thanks, Dragoon. I wonder since this is being called a disaster caused by racism if it is racist of the Democrats to keep guns out of the hands of blacks who needed them to defend themselves from rapists and other criminals when the municipal government broke down in the Big Uneasy?

    But, folks, I want to tell you that the same breakdown would have happened in Indianapolis.

    Daisy, you were doing okay until you started calling the terrorists in Iraq by the name of "insurgents." Afterall, Daisy, it is you yourself that the Islamofascists are after. You are an infidel, Daisy, even if you are a member of God's frozen chosen, the Presbyterians.
     
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    cmg, I liked some of what you said but how can you call athletes 'overpaid'? In a capitalist society where the owners are WILLING to pay that kind of money, isn't that perfectly fine? Wouldn't it be a socialist who would say athletes are overpaid?

    Everyone who makes more than I do is overpaid. (tongue in cheek statement of course) [​IMG]

    As for this statement: "God may have made me weak-minded in all other areas but he gave me the ability to decide for myself to accept or reject Jesus as Lord and Saviour. The greatest day in my life was the day that I accepted Jesus as Lord and Saviour long ago."...well...the Calvinists on this board would take issue with that.
     
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    Martial law is liberal government? The word "liberal" has meanings that I never dreamt of. </font>[/QUOTE]"Martial law" by military authorities was not invoked in this situation nor was it necessary since city, parish, and state government were still extant and active. A "state of emergency" was invoked by civilian authorities and administered by the Mayor as President of Orleans Parish.

    Liberal government, in this case, means those who believe, even in normal times, that “mere” citizens shouldn't have weapons – only the government should - because the government knows what's best for them, should take care of them, and only the government is “qualified, responsible, capable, etc.” to make “proper” use of weapons. They believe that criminal actions can be reduced or eliminated if weapons are not permitted in the hands on any one including “mere” citizens who might somehow threatened the government’s authority.

    Where are the 300 missing New Orleans police officers? Do they have the weapons "confiscated" for the citizens?
     
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    The liberals would have thrown that 97-year-old woman in jail in New Orleans for threatening to shoot to kill intruders. They would have given her life.

    I was thinking that 400 Big Uneasy cops quit. Some of them were looting like everybody else. Indianapolis cops are just as bad. You couldn't count on them in an emergency. The mayor of Indianapolis--Bart Peterson--is the worst mayor in the USA--a total Democrat hack and machine politician. He is owned lock, stock, and barrel by the Simons, the miserly owners of the Pacers, and Irsays, the miserly owners of the Colts.
     
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    Everyone who makes more than I do is overpaid. (not a tongue in cheek statement of course) [​IMG]
     
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    Why has this statement been allowed to stand? I thought it is against the rules to question someone's salvation? I guess when the person being questioned is "liberal" in their politics, they are the exception to the rule. :rolleyes:
     
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    I agree with Terry. CMG, that comment about Daisy is completely out of line.
     
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    Why has this statement been allowed to stand? I thought it is against the rules to question someone's salvation? I guess when the person being questioned is "liberal" in their politics, they are the exception to the rule. :rolleyes: </font>[/QUOTE]What is wrong with calling someone an Islamic infidel? Or isn't it politically correct to observe that Islam considers all non-moslems as infidels? I am an infidel, but I don't know about you two lot.
     
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    Proud infidel, here.
     
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    One grows so weary of Democrats. They take a text out of context and then try to make a pretext. What I said was that Islam was after all Christians and considered them all infidels. The Democrats know that--they just want to foster more political hatred and political correctness.
     

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