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The Most Important Moment in Tuesday Night's Democrat Debate

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by KenH, Aug 8, 2007.

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  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    "...the guy who got the most stirring ovation of the evening was not a candidate but an audience member, Steve Skvara, a steelworker for 34 years who needed arm braces to stand and come to the mike.

    Skvara said he’d been forced to retire after suffering a disability, only to see his former employer, LTV, go bankrupt, costing him a third of his pension and his health care.

    “Every day of my life I sit at the kitchen table across from the woman who devoted 36 years of her life to my family,” he said, his voice quavering, “and I can’t afford to pay for her health care. What’s wrong with America and what will you do to change it?"

    It was real pain, on display."

    - http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2007/08/dems-debate-at-.html

    Our health care system must be fixed. Placing the health care of the American people in the hands of corporations and government bureaucrats is a horrible way to deliver health care.

    I say to give every American a tax credit to purchase his/her own health care plan up to a certain dollar amount to cover things such as hospitalization and major illnesses, not for going to the doctor for a mere runny nose, that would be theirs and not based upon the largesse of corporations or the government. If someone didn't owe enough taxes to cover all of the credit then the government would pay the difference directly to the health plan provider.

    Anyone who failed to take advantage of this would be told that they are on their own or what they can get from charity - the taxpayers will not be on the hook for them.

    Is this a perfect plan? No. There isn't one. But I believe it would be way, way better than the current mess in health care in these United States.
     
    #1 KenH, Aug 8, 2007
  2. TomVols

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    This penalizes people who get a tax deduction by purchasing their health insurance through their employer. Your
    is just a little too much govt control for me.
    But you're asking the govt bureacrats to limit the tax credit to major medical policies as opposed to comp health plans, and establishing a bureacracy to pay the difference between the tax credit and cost. Is this the same KenH or has someone stolen your account :)

    I think a good starting point is:
    1. Allow the purchase of Health Insurance across state lines. The market would lower the cost of health insurance almost immediately.
    2. Allow reimportation of prescription drugs. The market would welcome an injection of lower cost prescriptions and would work to lower prices.
    3. Allow small businesses to pool to buy group policies. The current prohibitions raise costs for small companies which employ a large number of Americans.

    Those three suggestions do not do one paternalistic shred of anything near what you're suggesting. And they don't cost the taxpayer one red cent.

    My heart goes out to this man. I've been without health insurance, and I know what it's like to fear getting sick because you can't pay for it. However, it's not the government's role to provide me health insurance. It IS the government's role to get out of the way of me getting it. Right now, the govt is in the way. They need to get out.
     
    #2 TomVols, Aug 8, 2007
  3. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    I hear ya, Tom. I'm just really tired of this stupid hybrid system that we currently have.
     
    #3 KenH, Aug 8, 2007
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    The whole thing is flawed. We use our health insurance to pay for trips to the doctor. When are we going to start using our car insurance to pay for oil changes? Flat tires? Or our home owner's insurance to pay for a new H/A system? Or a broken step on our porch? And because health insurance pays for these kinds of things, docs charge more for visits.

    It's madness.
     
    #4 TomVols, Aug 9, 2007
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    The most important moment in the Democratic debate is the second it was over, and they all shut up.
     
    #5 saturneptune, Aug 9, 2007
  6. Bro. Curtis

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    Nope. It was Tim Wakefield falling apart in the fifth, and letting the Yankees gain another game in the A.L. East standings.
     
    #6 Bro. Curtis, Aug 9, 2007
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    That being said, this guy opted to give the union control instead of negotiating his own benefits, he gave the union his dues, and now the answer is American taxpayers take up his cause & we let his union completely of the hook.
     
    #7 Bro. Curtis, Aug 9, 2007
  8. KenH

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    What about LTV? I wonder how its executives made out.
     
    #8 KenH, Aug 9, 2007
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