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Discussion in 'Calvinism/Arminianism Debate' started by Browner, Feb 25, 2016.

  1. Browner

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    Many years ago, I was warned about this passage by my pastor …
    Matthew 7:
    21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
    22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
    23 And then I will declare to them,
    ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’


    Benjamin Baruch (one of God’s last-days prophets/watchmen) says:
    “Our nation is full of professing Christians, who assume they will go to heaven, yet the Lord declares (see above) that many on that day will be cast out! These poor souls were converted, and some had even done miracles in His name, yet they never knew Him. Dear reader, ask the Lord to test your heart. Do you know Him? Does His word abide in you? Are you abiding in Him? Do not trust in the mere confession of faith, but see if you have the love of the Father in your heart and the evidence of salvation, which is the desire to please and obey Him as Lord … I asked the Lord what was different about the many that did not know Him, but only knew His name. He answered me saying,
    “These are they who have never received of my character, and were never changed by my words, and have never learned to walk in my ways. To them I will say, ‘Lo Ammi. You are not my people.’

    Quite a good example of this is seen here …

    John 15:
    1 I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.
    2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away,
    and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.
    3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.
    4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
    5 I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.
    6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
    7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.
    8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.
    9 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love.
    10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love,
    just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love
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    I see verse 21 below as a parallel passage to verse 10 above.
    We are required to follow Jesus’ example of obeying God’s commandments, which is perhaps the biggest part of overcoming, i.e. of being an overcomer.

    Revelation 21:
    19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.
    20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.
    21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne,
    as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

    22 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.


    I realize you (of the Laodicean church, Rev 3) hate all of these troubling NT passages that warn about loss of salvation. And I realize that you prefer Scriptures such as John 3:16, Ephesians 2:8, and etc. But, please understand that there are many dozens of warning verses, and the Lord insists that your co-operation with the Holy Spirit and your obedience to His commands are required for salvation!
     
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  2. thatbrian

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    The title is a bit OTT, no?
     
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  3. Squire Robertsson

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    The debate over of the security of the Believer is not of recent origin. It dates back at least 400 years.
    Further, I've never heard of Benjamin Baruch.
     
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  4. TCassidy

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    You're not missing much. He is an apocalyptic, date setting, false prophet who claims to hear the audible voice of God and "prophesied" over 12 years ago that the coming of Messiah (in the ministry of the anointed messengers of God) will occur before March of 2006. He's about 10 years late. Like all date setters. :)
     
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  5. Browner

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    Many people have heard the unmistakeable voice of God!
    Personally, I have heard His still small voice, and also His voice
    at medium volume, and one word at high volume!
    These last two were with NOBODY anywhere else around.

    There have been very few true believers who were
    actual date-setters, and yes, they tend to be quite early.
     
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    In reality.......no......you have not. Not ever. Not even one time.
     
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    But of course, it's ALWAYS with nobody else around. Kind of like when the squadron of UFO's landed in my backyard and were full of Sasquatches, Loch Ness monsters, E.T., Elvis and orbs. My wife and family just left for the store and all the neighbors were gone! :p

    No, they tend to be false prophets, not just a bit early.
     
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  8. Browner

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    I would like a clarification, please.
    Exactly what kind of a moron art thou ...
    that of the human variety, or something else?
    Foist, when God speaks to a person, other people don't hear Him!
    Secundo, testifying of the absolute truth that no one else was around
    (who could have utterd a spoken woid) is mucho more impressive!
    I could go on, but t'would be a waste of time.
     
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