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The NAU is But a Weekend Away!

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by righteousdude2, Jul 12, 2008.

  1. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member
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    So you don't actually have a list of banks that are "failing" as opposed to the banks in trouble list that is always there.

    That tells me that you may have been doing a little exaggerating to make your point.

    The economy has it's problems right now and more banks are "in trouble" than normal, in particular banks that were heavy into subprime mortgage lending.

    But you have failed totally to make the connection that you imply with your NAU alarmists views.
     
  2. poncho

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    It's all hidden in plain sight.


    “The new capitalist gods must love the poor -- they are making so many more of them.” Bill Bonner, “The Daily Reckoning”


    “The hope of every central bank is that the real problem can be kept from public view. The truth is that the public -- even professionals on Wall Street -- have no clue what the real problem is. They know it has something to do with derivatives, but none of them realize that it’s more than a $20 trillion mountain of unfunded, unregulated paper that has just been discovered to not have a market and, therefore, no real value . . . When the dollar realizes the seriousness of the situation -- be that now or sometime soon -- the bottom will drop out.” --Jim Sinclair, Investment analyst


    About a month ago, I wrote an article “Stock Market Brushfire: Will there be a run on the banks?” which showed how the collapse in the housing market and the deterioration in mortgage-backed bonds (CDOs) in the secondary market was creating difficulties for the banking system. Now these problems are becoming more apparent.


    From the Wall Street Journal: “The rising interbank lending rates are a proxy of sorts for the increased risk that some banks, somewhere, may go belly up.” (Editorial; WSJ, 9-6-07)


    Ironically, the WSJ editorial staff -- which normally defends deregulation and laissez faire economics "tooth-n-nail" -- is now calling for regulators to make sure they are “on top of the banks they are supposed to be regulating, so we don’t get any surprise bank failures that spook the markets and confirm the worst fears being whispered about.”


    “Surprise bank failures?”


    Full Article...


    I can see it RD. Carpro may well see it soon too...he's already starting to question why a democrat would want a whopper of a police state. :smilewinkgrin:


    Why would a democrat want a whopper of a police state anyway? He knows what's coming down the road at us that's why and the first order is as it always is order.

    Order out of chaos.

    "The people will be crushed under the burden of taxes, loan after loan will be floated; after having drained the present, the State will devour the future."

    Fredric Bastiat

     
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  3. betterthanideserve

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    Poncho,
    June 20th ,700 fires (dry lightning)in California July 10th small earthquakes in the area surrounding Bohemian Grove,Quakes began July 10th ,Bohemian Grove started the 11th .think maybe God is trying to get someones attention?:laugh:
    small quakes often procede the "big one".
     
  4. carpro

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    :rolleyes:

    God is now warning us about a NAU with fires and earthquakes? :BangHead:
     
  5. poncho

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    Not so famous quote by an imaginary "government official".

    "The state should be well prepared to handle the situation with the addition of a brand new democratic police state to the already existing and ever expanding republican police state everything will be fine folks. Just hold up your papers and obey the nice gentlemen with the black ski masks and german submachine guns at the checkpoints."

    "Trust us we're the government."
     
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    http://www.ajc.com/business/content/business/stories/2008/07/11/atlanta_banks_texas_ratio.html

    http://www.marconews.com/news/2008/jul/12/end-integrity-bank-southwest-florida-joins-others-/

    http://www.nwanews.com/adg/Business/230615/
    (this took place earlier)

    Cramer is talking about it:
    http://www.thestreet.com/s/cramer-t...=googlen&cm_ven=GOOGLEN&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA

    I found this one interesting:
    http://www.cbs7kosa.com/news/details.asp?ID=7101
     
  7. righteousdude2

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    It is in PLAIN sight

    Capro....my comments are not "alarmist" exaggerations. Read what others have shared, and quit trying to pick my statements apart. Banks are failing, and the first step to failure is being on the "problem" list.

    Bless you brother. And try not to get too stressed when we can cross the borders to the north and south and still be in the America's!!!:laugh:

    Pastor Paul :type:
     
  8. poncho

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    Alarmism is what the government and media peddle 24/7. I'd say what RD is doing is giving advance warning. You can either check it out and plan accordingly or dismiss it as fantasy up to you.

    Funny how the people who accuse us of alarmism are usually the same ones trying to convince us we're in such grave danger and living on borrowed time because of the alleged "global threats" international terrorism and global warming.

    Difference between us and "them" is they always get more power funding and control out it and we always get more debt and taxes and less freedom.
     
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    Hey, I live here too!!!!

    Hey before you prophesize earthquakes in the "land of fruits and nuts" don't for get there are many wondeful people, LIKE ME< who live here and don't need to be shaken to the core, for the sins of those in Frisco and Sacto. :laugh: :laugh:

    Pastor Paul :type:
     
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    The mortgage loan business is a true financial crisis. Some banks will fail because of it.

    Some banks fail, even when there is no crises. It always happens.

    Your effort to connect bank failures with the NAU movement is specious at best and false alarmism at least.

    You are right to be on the alert for indications of the NAU. That idea has been floating around for decades. It's hardly a secret.

    Your alarmism is counterproductive and smacks of CTism.
     
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    RD What I was trying to say is that the folks at bohemian grove are doing much of the same type of abominations as those in Ezekiel chapter 8,and that maybe GOD was showing them his power, though it does mirror almost exactly Rev Chapter 8vs 5 "and the angel took the censer,and filled it with fire of the altar,and cast it into earth:and there were voices,and thunderings and lightnings,and an earthquake"so RD (if a big quake )hits anytime soon in that area,who knows where we actually are on GODS timeline.:thumbs:
     
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    PLHPPLLLLLLLP
     
  13. righteousdude2

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    I Know...

    We thinks you may be "right!" It is was mere coincidence when the fires were lit all that area, and it came from the sky to boot. As for the quake, we have asked for God to disperse Angels to protect our home for more than 15 years now, and He has yet to let us down. We had to cancel our EQ insurance, because it went up from $100.00 a year to $435.00...we are now totally living by faith, and mostly because we can't afford the extra luxury of that EQI. I'm on a limited, fixed income [medical retirement], and when things go up so high [like the EQI] it has to be cut.

    I love the supernatural assistance that God gives His children. The Holy Spirit is the greatest "supernatural perk" ever :sleeping_2: , but, His angels are an added blessing!


    Shalom,


    Pastor Paul
     
  14. poncho

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    "Printing dollars over long periods of time may not immediately push prices up--yet in time it always does. Now we're seeing catch-up for past inflating of the monetary supply. As bad as it is today with $4 a gallon gasoline, this is just the beginning. It's a gross distraction to hound away at “drill, drill, drill” as a solution to the dollar crisis and high gasoline prices. Its okay to let the market increase supplies and drill, but that issue is a gross distraction from the sins of deficits and Federal Reserve monetary shenanigans.

    This bubble is different and bigger for another reason. The central banks of the world secretly collude to centrally plan the world economy. I'm convinced that agreements among central banks to “monetize” U.S. debt these past 15 years have existed, although secretly and out of the reach of any oversight of anyone--especially the U.S. Congress that doesn't care, or just flat doesn't understand. As this “gift” to us comes to an end, our problems worsen. The central banks and the various governments are very powerful, but eventually the markets overwhelm when the people who get stuck holding the bag (of bad dollars) catch on and spend the dollars into the economy with emotional zeal, thus igniting inflationary fever.

    This time--since there are so many dollars and so many countries involved--the Fed has been able to “paper” over every approaching crisis for the past 15 years, especially with Alan Greenspan as Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, which has allowed the bubble to become history's greatest.

    The mistakes made with excessive credit at artificially low rates are huge, and the market is demanding a correction. This involves excessive debt, misdirected investments, over-investments, and all the other problems caused by the government when spending the money they should never have had. Foreign militarism, welfare handouts and $80 trillion entitlement promises are all coming to an end. We don't have the money or the wealth-creating capacity to catch up and care for all the needs that now exist because we rejected the market economy, sound money, self reliance and the principles of liberty.

    Since the correction of all this misallocation of resources is necessary and must come, one can look for some good that may come as this “Big Event” unfolds.

    There are two choices that people can make. The one choice that is unavailable to us is to limp along with the status quo and prop up the system with more debt, inflation and lies. That won't happen.

    One of the two choices, and the one chosen so often by government in the past is that of rejecting the principles of liberty and resorting to even bigger and more authoritarian government. Some argue that giving dictatorial powers to the President, just as we have allowed him to run the American empire, is what we should do. That's the great danger, and in this post-911 atmosphere, too many Americans are seeking safety over freedom. We have already lost too many of our personal liberties already. Real fear of economic collapse could prompt central planners to act to such a degree that the New Deal of the 30's might look like Jefferson 's Declaration of Independence.

    The more the government is allowed to do in taking over and running the economy, the deeper the depression gets and the longer it lasts. That was the story of the 30s and the early 40s, and the same mistakes are likely to be made again if we do not wake up."

    Ron Paul.

    I imagine most people will like the sounds of a New World Order so long as it promises to keep them safe and fed.
     
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    From a Phyllis Schlafly report.

    Bush Refuses to Deny the NAU

    The three-nation summit at Montebello, Quebec, was held behind closed doors, well guarded behind an intimidating fence and plenty of police, but the news conference that followed on August 21 revealed more than the three heads of state had planned. President George W. Bush, Prime Minister Stephen Harper, and Mexican President Felipe Calderon all refused to deny that the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) is a stepping stone toward a North American Union.

    The $64,000 question was posed by a Fox News reporter, Bret Baier. He asked all three heads of state, "Can you say today that this is not a prelude to a North American Union, similar to a European Union?"

    Their response was positively sensational. None of the three denied that SPP is leading to a North American Union (NAU). The White House transcript of the news conference allows us to assume that the elites of the three countries are, indeed, moving toward North American integration.

    Bush insulted the questioner and those who want an answer by accusing them of believing in a "conspiracy." Bush twice said he was "amused" by such speculation, but as Queen Victoria famously said, "We are not amused."

    Instead of addressing the crux of the question about plans to integrate the three North American countries, Bush resorted to ridicule.
    He sneered at his critics as "comical," and accused them of engaging in "political scare tactics" and wanting "to frighten our fellow citizens into believing that relations between us are harmful for our respective peoples."

    Harper tried to trivialize the Montebello summit.
    He implied that the SPP meeting was merely about harmonizing different regulations on "jelly beans." Apparently, a Canadian jelly bean manufacturer had demanded standardization of the rules so his company would not have to produce different jelly beans for the United States, which bans a red dye permitted in Canada. Nobody asked: If that's all SPP is about, why such secrecy, and does SPP harmonization mean we must allow food imports using dyes we believe are dangerous?

    Harper made everybody laugh when he accused his opponents of speculating that a NAFTA superhighway might go "interplanetary." Harper twice pleaded that SPP was merely a deal he inherited from his predecessor, Paul Martin, the Canadian Prime Minister who participated in the first SPP summit with Bush at Waco in 2005.

    Calderon chimed in to brush off what he called "jovial" and "funnier" SPP "myths." Surprise, surprise, he concentrated on demanding that we reduce "barriers between ourselves" and put "more investment" (
    i.e., U.S. dollars) in Mexico.

    Full Article.

    If it looks like a conspiracy and walks like a conspiracy and quacks like a conspiracy it is a conspiracy, Carpo.

    The three "heads of state" sound just like a few folks around here. Sometimes I have to wonder if even moronic replies like these haven't been globally "harmonized" as well.
     
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    From the same Phyllis Schlafly report.

    "The Plan repeatedly features the favorite Bush word "comprehensive"; it calls for a "comprehensive, coordinated North American approach." The Plan would give authority to international bureaucrats "beyond the health sector to include a coordinated approach to critical infrastructure protection," including "border and transportation issues."

    The Plan is a wordy 44-page document, much of which sounds innocuous. It is helpful to exchange information about disease and take precautions against letting foreign diseases enter the United States.

    However, self-government and sovereignty are at risk when control over these matters is turned over to a newly created North American body headed by the representative of another country. It's an additional problem when the entire Plan is a spin-off of the Security and Prosperity Partnership, an arrangement created in secret solely by White House press releases, without Congressional approval or even oversight.

    The 2007 Plan acknowledges that it is based not only on the Influenza Partnership, but also on the guidelines, standards and rules of the World Health Organization (WHO), the World Organization for Animal Health (OIE), the World Trade Organization (WTO), and the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).

    The Plan sets up a "senior level Coordinating Body to facilitate the effective planning and preparedness within North America for a possible outbreak of avian and/or human pandemic influenza under the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP)." The Plan identifies this SPP Coordinating Body as "decision-makers."

    The Plan then (ungrammatically) states: "The chair of the SPP Coordinating Body will rotate between each national authority on a yearly basis." A foreigner will be the "decision-maker" for Americans in two out of every three years.
    What powers will this foreign-headed Coordinating Body exercise? The Plan suggests that these include "the use of antivirals and vaccines; . . . social distancing measures, including school closures and the prohibition of community gatherings; . . . isolation and quarantine."

    Will this foreign-headed Coordinating Body respect the First Amendment "right of the people peaceably to assemble"? Or will the rules of the Plan, SPP, WHO, OIE, WTO, and NAFTA take precedence?"

    So, in other words "not if but when" there is an "emergency" the New World Order will be in control.
     
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